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Bush's Job Growth WORST in 50 Years (Roll out the red carpet for this “staunch Bush supporter.”)
bopnews ^ | Hale Stewart

Posted on 01/03/2006 8:29:33 AM PST by intruder alert

Bush’s giant Right Wing Noise Machine (RWNM) loves to preach about the Bush economic miracle. In fact, the RWNM’s current thinking is Bush doesn’t spend enough time talking about his economic triumphs. If only he did, then everyone would fall in line and believe in the great Bush economic miracle. There is one problem with this argument: it’s a lie. Any way you look at the Bush economy, it comes up short. Today, I want to compare Bush’s job creation record with other economic recoveries. As usual, Bush comes up way short.

The national Bureau of Economic Research has identified 8 recessions since May 1954. For comparison purposed, I only used 5 of these periods because they are longer than the current expansion. Next, I used the total nonfarm employment numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). I measured the jobs created from the trough (lowest point) to the next identified highest economic point. (The NBER states a “peak marks the end of an expansion and the beginning of a recession.”) I compared the total number jobs created for the entire expansion as well as the total number of jobs created 49 months into the expansion (According to the NBER, the lowest point of the last trough was in November 2001, making December 2005 the 49th month of this expansion). Here’s how the numbers (in millions) compare.

The expansion of 2/61 – 12/69 created 17,684 total jobs and 6,244 at 49 months.

The expansion of 3/75 – 7/80 created 13,183 total jobs and 12,831 at 49 months.

The expansion of 11/82 – 7/90 created 21,003 total jobs and 11,510 at 49 months.

The expansion of 3/91 – 3/01 created 23,969 total jobs and 8,266 at 49 months.

The current expansion which started in November 2001 has created a total of 3,410 jobs.

In other words, at 49 months into an expansion, Bush’s job creation record is last. While we don’t know when this expansion will end, the Bush economy would have to triple the total number of jobs created in order to get to 4th place on this list.

What’s going on here? The basic problem is some areas of the economy are creating jobs. The BLS tracks 13 different job sectors. 7 (a little over half) have created jobs since November 2001 – natural resources/mining (37,000), construction (539,000), financial (550,000), professional services (238,000), education/health (2.1 million), leisure/hospitality (803,000) and governmental employees (1 million). Of all the jobs created three areas – government, education/health account for 57% of job growth. Of the jobs created outside of education, health and governmental employees (2,167,000), construction, professional services and financial services account for about 60% of the jobs created. Real estate is obviously related to all of these areas. Construction is obviously related to real estate, as are financial services (mortgage lending etc…) and professional services (real estate agents, appraisers etc…) So, real estate, governmental employees and health/education jobs are doing just fine.

6 areas – a little under half of the sectors the BLS tracks – have had a net loss in number of jobs: manufacturing (-2,800,000), information (-565,000), trade/transport/utilities (-353), whole sales trade (-107), retail (-157), and transportation/warehousing (67,000). Manufacturing and information are obviously the two biggest areas of job losses. Some of the information service jobs are the result of natural attrition from Y2K. However, I somehow doubt that is the only reason for the losses. While there is no information regarding outsourcing losses (because the government does not keep any statistics on the subject), I fell safe in assuming outsourcing is a big factor involved in the losses.

In summation, sum people are doing well. They can find jobs and are probably financially somewhat secure. However, others have seen their jobs literally disappear overnight and are hurting to find new jobs that pay commensurate levels. These people are hurting from the current “expansion”. Of course, Bush and the RWNM has forgotten about them.


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To: intruder alert

It is really easy to refute.

There was technically no recession in 2001. There was only one period of negative growth which turned out to have a very shallow bottom and reversed itself to positive growth soon after.

The consequences of 9/11 and the widespread economic problems caused by the collapse of the Internet bubble led to massive inertia preventing any kind of rapid resurgence in the American economy.

The situations the author is trying to draw similarities between with the Bush administration's record are not really all that similar. Most of the important economic considerations are radically different, and the challenges faced were more than just significantly different. They were astronomically different, and still are.

Superficial similarities are easy to point to and spread around, but anybody with half a brain and a little bit of knowledge can recognize a poorly constructed argument intended to suck in people who want to believe the message so badly they'll ignore the inconsistencies.


81 posted on 01/03/2006 8:45:07 AM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: intruder alert

More and more workers are now independent contractors--I do not know what the author's source is, but people like Virginia Postrel have been documenting this phenomenon and how it doesn't show up in DoL surveys.


82 posted on 01/03/2006 8:45:50 AM PST by the Real fifi
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To: intruder alert

Yeah, it's ridiculous. But see post 45 for a more detailed response.


83 posted on 01/03/2006 8:46:22 AM PST by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: intruder alert

IB4Z!


84 posted on 01/03/2006 8:46:48 AM PST by Family Guy (I disagree with what you said, but I'll defend to the death your right to shut up.)
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To: intruder alert

85 posted on 01/03/2006 8:47:02 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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To: intruder alert
Besides the really bad numbers (in millions, how many 'billion' jobs created?), poor knowledge of macro economics, and questionable source, the statistics don't account for multiple items including growth potential (if unemployment is low, there are not people to fill newly created jobs), population growth factors are also not accounted for (how many people entering the workforce versus leaving (retirement)).

This article strikes me as someone trying to play on the ignorance of most in terms of economics and statistics by simply putting out a couple of numbers to tell the story they want. The problem is you can prove anything with BLS stats if taken out of context or only given a small glimpse.
86 posted on 01/03/2006 8:47:11 AM PST by mnehring (“Anybody who doesn’t appreciate what America has done and President Bush, let them go to hell”...)
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To: intruder alert

Bye, troll.


87 posted on 01/03/2006 8:47:11 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: Regicide

I was laughing at the same thing... Why would anybody pay attention to a grandiose mathematical analysis from an innumerate author?


88 posted on 01/03/2006 8:47:34 AM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: intruder alert

I've been posting this at various places looking for someone who can refute it. As a staunch Bush supporter, I am disappointed no one has done so yet.


blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!


89 posted on 01/03/2006 8:48:17 AM PST by JFC (W, I am with YA)
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90 posted on 01/03/2006 8:48:46 AM PST by My Favorite Headache ("Scientology is dangerous stuff,it's like forming a religion based around Johnny Quest and Haji.")
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To: intruder alert
This article is full of crap.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

Change Output Options: From:   To:     
include graphs NEW!
Data extracted on: January 3, 2006 (11:46:50 AM)
Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id:           LNS12035019
Seasonal Adjusted
Series title:        (Seas) Employment Level - Nonagricultural Industries
Labor force status:  Employed
Type of data:        Number in thousands
Age:                 16 years and over
Industry:            Nonagriculture industries (0369-9590 & 9890)

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1991 114732 114485 114475 114868 114165 114339 114249 114171 114609 114511 114474 114320  
1992 114823 114514 114908 115181 115162 115122 115428 115547 115446 115374 115669 115738  
1993 115853 116150 116423 116400 117015 117182 117341 117830 117380 117739 118012 118348  
1994 118664 118747 118576 118862 119455 119335 119373 119891 120257 120622 120942 121144  
1995 121144 121308 121321 121379 121072 121061 121437 121478 121848 121950 121850 121736  
1996 121642 122092 122373 122588 122771 123178 123514 123777 124088 124427 124415 124415  
1997 124849 124945 125472 125681 126027 126003 126400 126651 126627 126867 127267 127274  
1998 127389 127522 127650 127852 127959 127874 127913 127970 128399 128389 128897 129320  
1999 129802 129647 129656 129615 129937 129982 130146 130366 130434 130758 130989 131257  
2000 133863 133912 134022 134806 134144 134528 134196 134311 134489 134808 134921 135194  
2001 135323 135273 135362 135028 134745 134758 134810 133964 134577 134116 133966 133755  
2002 133256 134084 133782 133830 134299 134137 134023 134627 135143 134627 134196 134082  
2003 135059 135218 135160 135537 135389 135418 135138 135262 135426 135668 136068 136172  
2004 136234 136191 136192 136427 136565 136751 137257 137321 137460 137764 138068 137973  
2005 138112 138005 138293 138869 139294 139237 139668 140345 140461 140629 140413    

91 posted on 01/03/2006 8:48:50 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: tx_eggman

What qualifies one to be zotted?


92 posted on 01/03/2006 8:49:10 AM PST by marvlus
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To: The Electrician

Why not address the issue? I'm going to re-read the post and do some research. We should answer these 'DUers' with facts not by screaming 'ZOT'.


93 posted on 01/03/2006 8:49:24 AM PST by maineman
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To: intruder alert
The recovery started 9/2003 not 11/2001;

129,789,000 Employed in August 2003

134,289,000 Employed in November 2005

That is 4.5 Million jobs in 27 months.

Learn to discover the facts on your own.

You can find them at bls.gov
94 posted on 01/03/2006 8:49:33 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (I grew up in a slum, when I got to college it had become a "ghetto".)
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To: intruder alert

This is a 11 month plan for the November election the attack Rats will lie lie lie to try to regain congress.


95 posted on 01/03/2006 8:49:39 AM PST by boomop1
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As a staunch Bush supporter, I am disappointed no one has done so yet.

Is this lie still taught at seminars? It's so last century.

96 posted on 01/03/2006 8:50:02 AM PST by aculeus
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To: intruder alert

Unemployment is at its lowest in 50 years. You can do anything you want with statistics, including make low unemployement look bad.


97 posted on 01/03/2006 8:50:24 AM PST by Casloy
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To: intruder alert
Deliciously satisfying: See the actual video of this troll getting his/her ZOT, with sound:

(Click image below to view)


98 posted on 01/03/2006 8:50:43 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: eureka!

I think "sum" people refers to individuals who work with numbers like CPAs and financial analysts.

It stands to reason that a booming economy would enable these sum people to do well.

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm


99 posted on 01/03/2006 8:50:47 AM PST by John Semmens
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To: intruder alert; MNJohnnie

Dupliping.


100 posted on 01/03/2006 8:50:50 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (I might be wrong, but I'm always right.)
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