Posted on 02/08/2024 8:28:30 AM PST by MNDude
Was it this one?
Re: 4 - Agreed.
If there were terrorists offshore with a MANPAD missile it could have been that. I just could not bring myself to believe a CIC full of 18-20 year old sailors manning the weapons systems on a cruiser could not know the implications that if they fired a missile on that day, and an airliner was destroyed...
Hard to believe. But perhaps they were threatened.
Is it possible a navy ship fired a missile in error?
I have no idea what fail safe measures were in place to prevent that.
Could it have been a Captain Queeg commander who “lost it”?
I don’t know.
Re: 60 - Just a note, Flynn declined to meet with the FBI with NSC legal counsel present. He was advised to have legal counsel present by NSC staffers.
Instead, he declined to have counsel present of any type - and then shot himself in the foot.
That was exceedingly bad judgment.
I believe them too.
That is actually a rational take on things.
I have reached the age where NOTHING surprises me anymore.
Thanks for your service to our country!
“ My view is the exact opposite. My default position is that the government is lying about everything and the burden of proof lies with those who wish to support the government view.”
Could not state my default view more perfectly!
“ My view is the exact opposite. My default position is that the government is lying about everything and the burden of proof lies with those who wish to support the government view.”
Could not state my default view more perfectly!
On the navy ship possibility—if you do a web search under “navy missile fired in error” there are several stories of other countries having it happen to them.
That means it could have happened.
The secrecy angle is not an issue in my view—I have written long and detailed posts on government secrecy.
The government is good at it. The military takes secrecy oaths and has the threat of jail time for those who break those oaths.
In dire cases I have no doubt that .gov would and has executed folks to keep secrets.
Of course the executions are secret as well.
:-)
I am almost halfway through this thread, and I am now going to Bookmark it, because it’s one on the greatest postings in a very long time. (thanks for the post, MNDude!
The Russian collusion hoax showed us the caliber of people working in some of these agencies. My guess is same type of people but with different faces work in these agencies today. Look at Comey, McCabe and the love birds. They went after Trump and his campaign workers while the real threat was Biden and his crack addicted son. Looking back on 9/11, a flight training center called the FBI and said one of their trainees only cared about flying the airplane and the complaint went to deaf ears, or did it?
For me, my great awakening came, when I went to Vietnam in the 70s. I figure, half the things the government tells us, are flat out lies. The other half, are suspect.
I'm surprised to see that it's 11 years old. I remember seeing it for the first time around 2021 or 2022.
The sad thing is that his closing commentary on being distracted from meaningful things — the Patriot Act, indefinite detentions without formal charges and convictions, and so on — is still applicable today.
The rest of the two keywords, sorted, duplicates out:
He didn’t have 9 months- not even the 8 months prior to September. Al Gore dragged out the mess until way past the transition, and Congress held up Bush’s nominees for several months after inauguration day.
Two giant 110 story buildings collapsed next to building Number 7. Image the shockwave!
I disagree for a very specific and focused reason.
Where Flynn did make a mistake was in assuming that people working for the FBI were Americans working on the same team towards the same goals, which would have been, prior to 1/24/2017, not only normal and rational behavior for any person in his role, but required.
Your flawed characterization is based on what we NOW know took place leading up to, and on 1/24/2017 at the newly ensconced Trump White House. You assume that knowledge now is knowledge Flynn should have had then about the seditious and illegal activity of the FBI and DOJ.
Don’t be like the people we see, even here on Free Republic, who stupidly and openly state that “Because Flynn pleaded guilty, he must have down what those people set him up to be accused of, therefore he deserves everything he got. He only has himself to blame.”
Don’t be one of those people.
Re: 119 - I’m sorry, but I don’t see it that way.
Let me ask this (as I don’t know the answer). Has a National Security Advisor ever met with FBI counterintelligence agents for a formal interview without ANY legal counsel present?
There was a concern, rightly or wrongly, that Flynn was under some type of foreign influence. The FBI investigated.
I believe Flynn exercised poor judgement when he did not take affirmative steps to have White House legal counsel present at the meeting. Frankly, that was not even his decision to make (to not have counsel present). The National Security Advisor represents the President on matters regarding national security.
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