Posted on 09/14/2021 6:21:57 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6
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Good Morning, Dan! :-)
His blessings upon you, Mary-Lou!
I like #38 by Altdorfer; #41 by Holbein - in the almost absence of color, we can focus on the wonderful details such has the tunics and armors of the soldiers. Great della Robbia, #44, and Raphael, #45, brilliant in colors and composition.
Somewhere, I read that initially artists preferred showing the risen Jesus having risen vertically, floating over the tomb; however, the Catholic hierarchy objected, mandating that Jesus was to be depicted as standing.
Hallelujah, He is risen, He is risen indeed!
Amen, Sister!
Dogma over inspiration or revelation, I take it. Yet the Christ has appeared supernaturally bright or otherworldly in various passages of the gospels. In the unfolding of the story to come, he manifests and unmanifests Himself to various degrees—eating fish, letting Thomas feel his wound, yet appearing and disappearing without a trace.
From the perspective of centuries later, I'm no fan of the viral "fake news" elements in many of these, like the rectangular carved sarcophagi, the St. George cross flag or a staff with a cross, various European clothing, the fey anatomy-class poses, etc.
As for a supernatural ascension, it was apparently very difficult for most of these artists to visualize, or to paint it without modern aids like photographic studies before painting, airbrushes, latex paints, memories of computer graphical imaging from popular media, and the like. Some of the body positions depicted are quite awkward. Tissot comes close in terms of body language—the Christ just manifests outside the tomb floating in the air. The rest of Tissot's painting is overcrowded and lacks compositional dynamism.
Strangely, the one I'm liking best in terms of body language and dynamic composition is #55 by Anton von Werner, in spite of the overmanifest angels, who should also be on the translucent end of the energy spectrum. Von Werner's Christ seems to be in the very act of rising weightlessly, and the soldiers are properly awestruck to the ground and fearful. I also appreciate von Werner's balance between nudity vs drapery (where the garb came from is a mystery unaddressed in scripture IIRC); too much of either one is distracting in so many of the other works.
The Bible In Paintings 106A: JESUS RISES FROM THE DEAD! Part 1
The Bible In Paintings 106B: JESUS RISES FROM THE DEAD! Part 2
Third time's the charm? Okay this is fun...
The Bible does not provide an account of Jesus rising to life on Sunday morning in the tomb God has left that most momentous of events entirely to our imaginations.
Or entirely to future revelation. What's old is new, because there's nothing new under the sun:
Matthew 16:28 -17:9
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
SNEAK PEEK: Next time,
THE THREE MARYS
In Catholic traditions, three "Hail Marys" represent faith, hope, and charity.
It really *is* the third day today (Tuesday, Mars' Day), so let the "Three Sisters" be your guide!
Little mountains : big mountains : : little rocks : big rocks : : little tents : big tents
"The Three Sisters are closely spaced volcanic peaks in the U.S. state of Oregon. They are part of the Cascade Volcanic Arc, a segment of the Cascade Range in western North America extending from southern British Columbia through Washington and Oregon to Northern California."
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"The Sisters were named Faith, Hope and Charity by early colonizers, but are now known as North Sister, Middle Sister and South Sister, respectively."
And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
This may not seem relevant at first, but the name Peter is of course a classic subject that generates much conversation and debate over the word play on names, the interpretations and comparisions -- petros : petras : : little rock : big rock. Perfectly understandable, as the context (Mat 16:13-21) is about the very foundation of the Church and who was given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.
Which brings me to the funny but awesome word play on interpretation itself, on Peter as the "little rock" who didn't know what he was saying about those three "tents" (little mountain peaks on the map key):
Peter, p-t-r
pitron, from patar (-on ון is a suffix that forms concept nouns, but it also functions as a diminuitive):
And keys are what provide access, solutions, understanding... the "pitron"... פתר to solve, interpret.
— Qal - פָּתַר 1 he solved, interpreted (esp. dreams); MH 2 he explained.
— Niph. - נִפְתַּר PBH 1 was solved, was interpreted; MH 2 was explained. [A base collateral with פשׁר.] Derivatives: פִּתֽרוֹן, פָּתִיר, פּֽתִירָה.
פִּתְרוֹן m.n. (pl. פִּתֽרוֹנִים, also פִּתֽרוֹנוֹת) solution, interpretation. [From פתר.]
Or here:
It goes on.
Yeesh I'm exhausted and I cut the post in half so it looks dumb, but here it is.
Matches your pic #73.
“Somewhere, I read that initially artists preferred showing the risen Jesus having risen vertically, floating over the tomb; however, the Catholic hierarchy objected, mandating that Jesus was to be depicted as standing.”
“Dogma over inspiration or revelation, I take it. Yet the Christ has appeared supernaturally bright or otherworldly in various passages of the gospels. In the unfolding of the story to come, he manifests and unmanifests Himself to various degrees—eating fish, letting Thomas feel his wound, yet appearing and disappearing without a trace.
From the perspective of centuries later, I’m no fan of the viral “fake news” elements in many of these, like the rectangular carved sarcophagi, the St. George cross flag or a staff with a cross, various European clothing, the fey anatomy-class poses, etc.
As for a supernatural ascension, it was apparently very difficult for most of these artists to visualize, or to paint it without modern aids like photographic studies before painting, airbrushes, latex paints, memories of computer graphical imaging from popular media, and the like. Some of the body positions depicted are quite awkward. Tissot comes close in terms of body language—the Christ just manifests outside the tomb floating in the air. The rest of Tissot’s painting is overcrowded and lacks compositional dynamism.
Strangely, the one I’m liking best in terms of body language and dynamic composition is #55 by Anton von Werner, in spite of the overmanifest angels, who should also be on the translucent end of the energy spectrum. Von Werner’s Christ seems to be in the very act of rising weightlessly, and the soldiers are properly awestruck to the ground and fearful. I also appreciate von Werner’s balance between nudity vs drapery (where the garb came from is a mystery unaddressed in scripture IIRC); too much of either one is distracting in so many of the other works.”
It’s kind of fun to read this debate and controversy, of which I’ve never heard. I’m very literal when I read scripture, not reading anything into it, and Jesus apparently appears as He normally did after His resurrection: with holes in His hands and side.
Ironicly, the gospels DO NOT portray the resurrection. Rather, they speak of an angel opening the tomb in the pre-dawn before the women arrive, causing the guards to faint. Jesus DID NOT need the tomb to be opened, since He can go through closed doors.
I like to think He walked through the tomb’s wall/door invisibly, prayed to His Father, and didn’t show Himself until He saw Mary Magdalene later that morning. Then on to the other women, and out for a walk to Emmaus.
I can’t prove any of this. Neither can the artists.
OK, here goes nuthin:
Third time's the charm?
74 pics is too many for one thread, but I'm not pulling a Pat Riley here.
I suspect the Three Sisters formed as the plate drifted over a hot spot, even as the Hawaiian Islands are.
Peter was Everyman, denying Christ, impulsively blurting out on the mount and leaping out of the boat to walk on the water and later to greet his risen Lord. Not exactly a staid banker-type to whom anyone would entrust their keys.
My pic #73: you might get a kick from his other works.
In explaining how Jesus could pass through solid walls, Christian astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross attributes it to His glorified body’s dimensional capabilities.
You and I exist in three spatial dimensions, Length-Width-Height, as do basketballs.
In four spatial dimensions, mathematicians have demonstrated that we could turn a basketball inside out without cutting it.
In five spatial dimensions, they’ve demonstrated that we could pass a basketball through a solid wall.
So, Jesus, the God who invented and created dimensionality, functions now in extra dimensions—as many as He likes.
“So, Jesus, the God who invented and created dimensionality, functions now in extra dimensions—as many as He likes.”
Irrefutable. But realize dimensions, however many there are, are something God created. God transcends dimension and space and time, all which He created. God is in all places in the universe simultaneously, and outside it as well. He sees all time and all events laid out as people cause things to happen. He intervenes as He wishes to accomplish His purposes.
The bottom line: God can do anything He wants at any time.
It’s good to be God!
As the centuries pass, new techniques of archaeology and historical research are tending to support the truth of many Biblical claims, dispelling skepticism about the Bible's accuracy. Digs have discovered the actual dimensions and building methods that are spoken about in the scriptures—it was a real life lived by real people, so being able to envision the surroundings of the stories is becoming steadily more filled in It's a great time to be alive to see and hear this unfold.
To me, there appear to be several main tracks in the various discussions -- one is whether the work of art tells the Biblical story accurately in the Spirit (and whether the depiction still conveys the Message in the present day); and others concern the techniques of art-making as well as historical accuracy.
In some paintings you find excellence in several areas; in others, fewer — and centuries later, viewers of a work of art puzzle out to what degree the artistry enhances or detracts from the spiritual meaning of the story.
Some of the people posting here have actual experience with painting; others have studied art history or have toured museums; but all seem to have a shared interest in the Bible. The way that freeper Hebrews 11:6 shares the scriptures along with the paintings is a great teaching tool, whether the reader has ever studied the verses closely or not. Especially if not!
When anyone reads the scriptures, sometimes they picture the events in their minds, and sometimes they don't. But picturing it on behalf of others is the way of life of the artists. Some may have worked on commission for wealthy patrons without a deep conviction to the story; others painted or sculpted from a true belief, whether they were paid or not. So the results of their work is up for discussion here.
As for context, some of the artists had access to historic understanding of the architecture, implements and clothing of the various Biblical eras; some did not. Some of the painters purposefully dressed the figures in the clothing of their century and location for the purpose of underscoring that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Others did it out of ignorance of past cultures. I notice that these aspects get discussed a lot.
Sometimes there are elements in the works that just don't fit with the story, or haven't successfully completed the leap from realism to symbolism, and that tends to bother me personally, but it's not a requirement of any kind for others who participate in this wonderful series.
To my observation, comments on these threads have not been arguments or a contest, but rather a sharing—of perceptions, of whatever insight or knowledge individuals may have, of personal tastes, or of the inspirations many of these works cause the viewers to experience. Hebrews 11:6's research has opened many doors, including having introduced or explored artists who were suppressed by the fashionable folks of their day but whose artistry and faith in the Message shines through!
Thanks for your detailed explanation of various views. That is one of my weakest points: my inability to see things from another’s point of view.
My mindset is black and white, truth and error. Either I’m right or wrong, either you are right or wrong. We may both be ignorant of what is right or wrong, but at least we should be sure of our uncertainty. I know certain things are not a matter of morality too, but simply personal choice.
I’ve had this frame of mind since I was 10 or so and it is my default state of mind. So, I’m trying to learn how other people view things.
I've been so zonked out that I could not even finish that post, so if I had been with it, I would have needed multiple intermissions, heh.
I just chopped it off and hit post to I could catch some ZZZs.
What a lovely gracious reply! God be with you in your journey!
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