SICK OF PEOPLE IMPOSING THEIR RELIGOUS BELIEFS ON OTHERS

After reading all of the crap that people have been saying regarding Adult Private Social Clubs, I felt that I had to post an article and give my opinion. I am sick and tired of all the religous groups that are saying that there are drugs, prostitution, minors, non-consenting people, and just immoral people at these clubs! First of all, who do these people think they are to decide what is morally right or wrong for me? I believe that I have a good set of morals. I am a law abiding, tax paying citizen, I work full time and provide for my child; whom I teach to be courteous, respect his elders, be a hard worker, have respect for all of humankind as well as the earth, and not to 'cram' his opinions and beliefs down other people's throats. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing christianity, it's just that I'm so sick and tired of others trying to decide what is 'morally acceptable' for me. These people need to have their facts straight before running off at the mouth! And yes, I do belong to a several 'Swing Clubs', so I DO KNOW what I'm talking about. First of all, NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 21 IS ADMITTED (clubs do check id)!, no drugs are tolerated........no exceptions!, there is no prostitution!, safe sex is highly encouraged, NO MEANS NO...ie...club owners and managers DO NOT tolerate anyone getting out of line what so ever!, and many club members are good and decent people with the best of morals. In short, no one is making these religous people go to the clubs, so, they need to quit trying to close the Adult Private Social Clubs. What goes on inside of these clubs is perfectly legal. We're not imposing our way of life on ANYONE, so others need to quit imposing their way of life on all of us!

Any questions? Yes.

1) You completely ignore my assertion that criminals exist in all social arenas, and the fact that a criminal may be a member of a particular group does not, in and of itself, automatically incriminate the group as a whole. As an illustration, I suggested the possibility that there could be a rapist at my gun range. If I understand correctly, the reason you feel justified in dismissing my illustration is that a gun range is a place to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights, whereas a sex club is a place to exercise "deviant sexual behavior". Now, mind you, I don't give a lick about whether a particular behavior is "deviant" or not; some would say my enjoyment of shooting holes in targets is deviant. What I DO want to know is, aside from the fact that you find it "deviant", what exactly is it about their behavior that you believe makes them more likely to meet a potential kidnapper/rapist than at my gun range?

2) By the same token, what is it about their behavior that you believe puts their child at greater risk than she would have been otherwise? What's the cause-and-effect sequence that results in harm to their child that is inherently dependent on their participation in that club - i.e. a cause-and-effect sequence that ISN'T equally plausible at a gun range?

Look, it's entirely reasonable for you to say that you personally don't trust parents who would go to a swinger's club. You can have all sorts of mental associations with such imagery, and believe - perhaps even legitimately - that participation in a swinger's club makes them more likely to be bad parents. However, I argue that there is no causative relationship between being a bad parent and being a member of a swinger's club - that is, you're not AUTOMATICALLY one just because of the other - and that their behavior in no way contributed to the horror that befell their daughter.

1) I did not ignore anything - if 1% of rapists hang out at gun ranges and the remaining 99% at sex clubs, then where do YOU think children would be safer at? The parents' "behavior that I believe makes them more likely to meet a potential kidnapper/rapist than at my gun range" was the drinking / drugs / inviting total strangers back to their garage instead of, you know, watching over their children.

2) You got me there - I have no idea if Danielle was at greater risk than she would have been otherwise - given that she is DEAD, I can't imagine what the greater risk would have been. Perhaps if they also ran a brothel and meth lab out of their house, you would have a point. Now, show me ONE member of a swinger's club that is not a bad parent.

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