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Obama to Propose Massive Greenhouse Gas Tax
Saturday, February 21, 2009 | Kristinn

Posted on 02/21/2009 5:36:16 PM PST by kristinn

Barack Hussein Obama will propose a massive business tax on greenhouse gases in his FY 2010 federal budget to be presented this week.

The massive tax increase and power grab was buried at the end on article on Obama's forthcoming budget proposal in The New York Times:

On energy policy, Mr. Obama’s budget will show new revenues by 2012 from his proposal to require companies to buy permits from the government for greenhouse gas emissions above a certain cap. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the permits would raise up to $300 billion a year by 2020.

Since companies would pass their costs on to customers, Mr. Obama would have the government use most of the revenues for relief to families to offset higher utility bills and related expenses. The remaining revenues would cover his proposals for $15 billion a year in spending and tax incentives to develop alternative energy.

The proposal is in keeping with a policy announcement candidate Obama made in 2007, as reported then by The Times:

"No business will be allowed to emit any greenhouse gases for free," Mr. Obama said in Portsmouth, N.H. "Businesses don’t own the sky, the public does, and if we want them to stop polluting it, we have to put a price on all pollution."

Obama famously said in 2008 he would make American citizens' electricity rates skyrocket under his plan:

"What I've said is that we would put a cap-and-trade system in place that is more -- that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anybody else's out there, so if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

"When I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know, under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.

Regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad, because I'm capping greenhouse gases, coal-powered plants, you know, natural gas, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money, they will pass that money on to consumers. If you can't persuade the American people that, yes, there's going to be some increase in electricity rates on the front end, but that over the long term because of combinations of more efficient energy usage and changing lightbulbs and more efficient appliances, but also technology improving how we can produce clean energy, that the economy will benefit. If we can't make that argument persuasively enough, you -- you can -- you can be Lyndon Johnson, you can be the master of Washington, you're not gonna get that done."

Obama, of course, has no intention of persuading the American people, he's going to ram his Marxist agenda up their tailpipes.


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To: kristinn

Get ready to swelter or shiver in your darkened homes thanks to Lord Obama.


141 posted on 02/21/2009 7:27:00 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: kristinn
Could we just start the process for getting this guy impeached? I think it's time. High crimes and misdemeanors undermining the U.S. Constitution would do it, I think. I know that to do this, we have to take back the House, and then the Senate (for the trial).

Let's get going. There's a bit of work ahead of us.

142 posted on 02/21/2009 7:27:37 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: DTogo; All

This is the only way we will ever get the attention of our elected officiala and the masses- protest!

Freedomsfirst is planning a ‘million man’ march on Washington. Half a million have already signed up.

(Many of you have remarked that the march needs to be NOW, not in Sept. Please note what the founder of Freedomsfirst has to say about this under the ‘Dear Friends’ email second paragraph))

http://www.freedomsfirst.org/

Anti-Obama organizations are being united for a ‘million man’ march on Washington. The permit is secured

From ‘FreedomsMarch’:

PRESIDENT OBAMA, WE DEMAND THAT YOU BE TRANSPARENT NOW

We will come together in a peaceful rally. We are proud Americans who fear that we are losing the America we all know and love. The America where millions have served in our military sacrificing and giving their lives so that we remain free. A people who honor their flag and understand what it means to fly it and be so proud to do so. It is time for our voices to be heard loud and clear. Our government is for the people and by the people. Where is that now? We are PRO GOD, PRO LIFE, PRO GUN Americans who see our rights slipping away as we speak. It is time our voices are heard. It is time for us to shout loudly and strongly that we refuse to live under a socialist regime, where our voices are silenced. Lets take this action now before we awaken one morning and our freedoms are nothing more than a memory.

We ask you TO wear RED, WHITE AND BLUE CLOTHING... BRING YOUR FLAGS WAVE THEM HIGH... SIGNS WILL BE PROVIDED.. WE WANT TO GIVE THE GREATEST IMPRESSION OF WHO WE ARE AS WE WILL BE SEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD. UNITED AND PEACEFUL AND WITH CONTROL. WE WILL LEAVE THE GROUNDS AS CLEAN AS THEY WERE GIVEN TO US.

No food or beverage will be provided. You’re welcomed to bring your own.

Entertainment will be provided. We are setting up a wonderful assortment of guest speakers, political and non political,prominent people and many surprises. Major news networks, including CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. Resistnet.com will also attend. MUCH more to come .

Please make your reservations early as hotels and motels will fill quickly.

We are God,s Army. The soldiers of voice and heart that believe in AMERICA for one nation as it stands indivisible with liberty and justice for All. We marched with Dr Martin Luther King and placed our hands upon our hearts as we sang. We knew what was right, what was good and of God. We stand united and strong for we are Right and mighty and proud and in Dr. Martin Luther King,s words, “ WE SHALL OVERCOME.”

CHECK OUT OUR GREAT T SHIRTS... let everyone know where you stand as a real Patriot... and Please go to STEVES WHOLESALE OUTLET... Great bargains on things we all enjoy and need... These purchases will make this RALLY happen.. You help when you buy and you get something great to show for it too.... Thanks and God Bless America

Freedoms first has recently received permission to hold our protest in Washington DC. Our protest will now be held at the lincoln Memorial Reflections Pool in front of the Lincoln memorial ,on a date that will be released on feb 12 2009.

We find this very interesting because just two weeks earlier Washington told us we could no protest in DC for at least a year and a half . But the day the spendulus bill passes we get a call from Washington inviting us with a choice of dates and locations. Folks we take this as a sign that our country if starting to realise the mistake they have made with putting Obama in office.

We will have live speakers and other entertainment for you.

WE would like to see 1 million supporters attend this protest. It is time to take our country back and make our voices heard.

Why are we protesting ?

1. To get the attention of the mainstream media.

2. To demand That Obama Provide proof that he is eligible to be president.

3. To demand that Congress and the Supreme court uphold our constitution.

4. To inform the public on the issue of Obama’s ineligibility to be president of the USA.

5. To demand that they can not take our constitutional rights away.

6. To say no to abortions.

Please take the time to sign up so we have an idea of how many people we have attending and to get update emails so you know what to do , where to meet , where to park and what is happening so on and so forth.

Thank you for your attention and patriotism

Sign up here:
freedomsfirst@inbox.com

.

Dear Friends,

We are moving forward on our rally in Washington D C. We are working non stop in
preparations for this historical event to be held at the Washington Monument on Sept. 12th
and 13th of this year.

Almost a half a million people have signed up thus far. As for the time, The million man march that took place a few years age took over 2 years to organize, we are trying to push this through as fast as we can. To protest in DC you have to have a permit and have approval to use a certain piece of land.
We called ahead of filing for these things. September 12&13 were the next available days they had.
The other org resistnet.com which was putting together a march for May 30 didn’t do this so they were refused their permit now they are joining with our group. So, we are doing this the absolutely as soon we can.

As you well know, there are Monumental costs for this Monumental event.

We understand that your pockets are not as full as they were last year at this time. There
is little left after we pay our bills that enable us to survive these barren times.

You know what is coming next, The begging part for you to look solely in your hearts for
what we feel may be the most profound and important outcry for real American patriots.

The plans are bigger than you could ever imagine and to successfully pull such a large
event off, we need your presence, we need your help, we need your prayers, we need your
assistance and sadly we must humble ourselves and ask for you to dig down in those almost
empty pockets to help us have a successful rally.

We must get our money into the bank so it can begin to build with interest, so that we can
begin to order for the event as we must pay deposits on anything that we need.

WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DONATE A MINIMUM OF $20.00 (anything more would be
greatly appreciated)

Some of our expenses are as follows.

1. Buses and shuttles will be provided to transport you from your hotels to the on site
rally.

2. Tents to provide shelter for our entertainers and guest speakers. First Aid Station
with an RN Nurse on duty along with an ambulance to be standing by for emergencies should
they arise. A tent for sale of T SHIRTS and assorted merchandise including Flags,(made in
America), hats and other memorabilia . What better way to remember this historical event.
A tent to store emergency water and other supplies should they be needed. A welcome tent
for you to pic up flyer’s with information of scheduled times for our speakers and
entertainment events and other important information including restaurants and areas of
interest, etc.

3. We are planning to have at least ONE THOUSAND porta potties.

4. Accounting fees and set up fees so we have full disclosure of where all donations go.

5. On hand funds to pay for those things we know we surely will forget and the need to be
able to pick them up quickly without worry of where we are going to get the money from .

6. Newspaper adds and notices about our march, and other publicity costs for this event.

7. Printing costs, signs, etc.

8. We must hire additional security other than the security provided by the park police.
We want this to be safe for you and your family .

WE NEED YOUR HELP SO WE CAN DO THIS. SO WE CAN BE PROUD OF HOW WE DID IT.. SO WE CAN
PRESENT THE VISUAL OF MILLIONS COMING TOGETHER.

WE WANT OUR AMERICA BACK. SADLY THESE DREAMS DO NOT COME EASILY OR FREELY.

WONT YOU HELP US PLEASE?????

WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEND UP UPDATES FOR EACH DAY WE HAVE NEW INFORMATION. WE ARE VERY
EXCITED THAT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED US. THIS IS GROWING LARGER EVERY DAY.

FIRST AND FOREMOST AT THIS TIME, WE NEED TO GET A BASE OF FINANCES SO WE CAN GET STARTED
WITH RESERVATIONS AND PAY DEPOSITS FOR THOSE THINGS WE DESPERATELY NEED .

We also need YOU... physical YOU... we are asking for volunteers to work our tents and
commit to some important, needed jobs, facilitating and overseeing some of the most
important tasks , so this can be a successful rally.

It is always most uncomfortable to ask for financial help when we are in financial
disaster ourselves.

Understand please, we know there may be some of you who can NOT donate because of your
financial situations. WE WANT YOU TO STILL COME AND BE WITH US. WE NEED YOUR PRESENCE!!!!!

WE WILL BE UNITED, CHRISTIAN, JEW, BUDDHIST, HINDU, ATHEIST, BLACK, AND WHITE... WE WILL
BE ONE. ONE OF MANY WHO STAND AS PATRIOTIC AMERICANS DEMANDING OUR VOICES BE HEARD AND
DEMANDING THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ABIDE BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA.

WE DEMAND THE TRANSPARENCY HE PROMISED !!!!!!!!

GOD BLESS US ON THIS RALLY, WITH YOUR PRAYERS, YOUR DEDICATION AND YOUR HELP, IT WILL BE
AN HISTORICAL, MAGICAL, WONDERFUL SHOW OF THE REAL AMERICA....

THANK YOU DEAR FRIENDS.

SINCERELY,

STEVE

PLEASE CLICK ON THE DONATE BUTTON ON OUR WEBSITE www.freedomsfirst.org...

THE DONATE BUTTON ACCEPTS CREDIT CARDS AND CHECKS BY PAY PAL.

Please do not forget to click on STEVE’S STORE and shop for the wonderful merchandise
there at the best prices you have ever seen.

Also please give a look at our wonderful T SHIRTS. ONLY $15.OO....

TO VOLUNTEER YOUR HELP FOR THE RALLY, PLEASE EMAIL STEVE AT freedomsfirst@inbox.com

THANK YOU WITH OUR HEARTS FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR COMMITMENT FOR THIS GREAT
EVENT!!!!!!!!


143 posted on 02/21/2009 7:28:12 PM PST by patriot08
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To: Mariner

Bull$hite! The lower-income folk are going to get a rebate.


144 posted on 02/21/2009 7:28:24 PM PST by expatpat
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To: kristinn

OK, if this goes down, it will plain and simple be a disaster for the American economy, unless there is a massive nuclear plant construction program with streamlined approvals and permitting.

Anyone who thinks we can replace coal with fairies and pixie dust, aka solar, wind, and conservation, is just completely ignorant of the thermodynamic and economic realities, and needs to shut up and let informed educated adults handle the issue.


145 posted on 02/21/2009 7:30:16 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: Errant
Thats only about $5,000 per family of 5 per year... Chum change /s

You forget. By that time more than 50% will be on the dole with 50% paying. If you are one of those paying, please double that figure!

146 posted on 02/21/2009 7:30:32 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: hugorand

I saw where the mayor of Chicago is calling for that very thing.


147 posted on 02/21/2009 7:31:24 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: FreedomPoster

How many American’s realize coal is 50% of our power grid in this country?


148 posted on 02/21/2009 7:32:09 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: kristinn
(Sigh) Just for zero's information:

Business, and the tax revenues they generate, have been know to leave countries where they cannot profitably operate and move to places where they can.

Unless you prevent them taking their assets with them, like Zimbabwe, they simply move.

We are not yet held hostage here, like they were behind the iron curtain.

Our forefathers came to this country for freedom among other reasons. If this becomes a place where freedom is dead, only the serfs stay behind, like they did in old Europe.

The USA is more than a piece of ground, when it ceases to be the land of the free, it is no more the USA --- then out of here.

149 posted on 02/21/2009 7:33:27 PM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: kristinn

I guess he assumes no one cut spending as a result of the energy increase. The economy will continue to just buzz along while all this is happening?


150 posted on 02/21/2009 7:34:16 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: BenLurkin

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MORE TAXES!!!!!! TAX REVOLT!!!!!!


151 posted on 02/21/2009 7:39:56 PM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd,you get no further than the crowd")
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To: verklaring

With what business has seen in the last month, I wonder how many have drawn up contingency plans to get out of Dodge ASAP.


152 posted on 02/21/2009 7:43:25 PM PST by Tarheel ( Dogs have owners, Cats have staff)
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To: kristinn
The problem with socialist is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.” …Margaret Thatcher
153 posted on 02/21/2009 7:43:32 PM PST by spectre (sw )(Congress lied...the economy died)
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To: kristinn
Good summation, kristinn.

miserable sigh

154 posted on 02/21/2009 7:44:02 PM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: kristinn

If all this ‘change’ happens fast enough, then the useful idiots won’t have enough time to recompose and reflect on their folly. You have to admit, the plan has worked perfectly so far...


155 posted on 02/21/2009 7:45:24 PM PST by glock rocks (Zero: black, white, and red all over. Let's party like it's 1939!)
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To: pleikumud

“Obama and the Socialist Congress are well on their way to destroying capitalism and freedom. They intend to resurrect the USSR here in the USA.”

I’m starting to wonder if that wasn’t the plan all along. Commie Frank Davis was teaching the little pothead not to buy into the American Dream a long time ago.

And this is what “framed” Obama. He has no reference on the America that most of us throughout the land know and love.

He was never part of it. He was a cancer being developed in Hawaii.


156 posted on 02/21/2009 7:46:28 PM PST by romanesq
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Many fewer than know who won the Super Bowl. Many fewer than can name an American Idol winner or two.

If something like this passes, we are just so screwed.


157 posted on 02/21/2009 7:52:32 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: Tarheel
I would think that at least a significant number located in California. There are states and territories where there is a greater amount of freedom.

If the USA becomes a socialist, Marxist commune, there are other English speaking countries, where their socialism is less oppressive. My forefathers learned English, so you learn another language. At some point in the destruction of this country, (when it ceases to be why we came here), other options do present themselves. It is a matter of degree.

You can also run certain elements of a business in one place and live in another.

158 posted on 02/21/2009 7:59:05 PM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: Kleebo151
Relax, guys. The tax will be implemented only if these businesses EXCEED a certain amount of gases.

That's about the most naive statement I've ever seen posted on FR.

You got a lot to learn

159 posted on 02/21/2009 8:01:35 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Obama says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush)
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To: verklaring
there are other English speaking countries, where their socialism is less oppressive.

English is widely spoken in Hong Kong & Singapore.

160 posted on 02/21/2009 8:01:53 PM PST by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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