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Neanderthals in Color
Archaeology, v65, n3 ^ | May/June 2012 | Zach Zorich

Posted on 05/06/2012 7:48:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

In 1981, when Wil Roebroeks of Leiden University was beginning his archaeological career, he ran across some red stains in the grayish sediments on the floodplain of the Maas River where his team was excavating. The site, called Maastricht-Belvèdère, in The Netherlands, was occupied by Neanderthals at least 200,000 years ago. Roebroeks collected and stored samples of the red stains, and 30 years later he received funding to analyze them. It became apparent that he and his team had discovered the earliest evidence of hominins using the mineral iron oxide, also known as ocher. Until now, the use of ocher -- as a red pigment in rock paintings, an ingredient in glue, and for tanning hides, among other things -- was thought to be a hallmark of modern human behavior. While the manner in which the mineral was used at Maastricht-Belvèdère is something of a mystery, the find has had an impact on the question of whether ocher use represents modern behavior. "This whole debate is now to some degree a non-debate," Roebroeks says, "because Neanderthals were already doing this 200,000 years ago." (Courtesy Wil Roebroeks)

(Courtesy Wil Roebroeks)

(Excerpt) Read more at archaeology.org ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; manganese; marysettegast; mcph1; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; platoprehistorian; redochre; zachzorich
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To: Little Bill
You need a picture to go with that.
41 posted on 05/06/2012 11:53:23 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: SunkenCiv

42 posted on 05/06/2012 12:02:05 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: piroque

Titled: As we go smiling to our enslavement?


43 posted on 05/06/2012 12:05:02 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: wardaddy

So.... Europeans ancestors were Neandethals?


44 posted on 05/06/2012 12:53:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
So.... Europeans ancestors were Neandethals?

NOBODY's ancestors were Neanderthals, in any way, shape, or manner, we're not related to Neanderthals or any other ape or hominid at all. The claim that Asians and Europeans have 4% Neanderthal genes while Africans don't is idiotic to the extent that people are using that to claim that European or Asian ancestors interbred with Neanderthals, it never happened. There's almost no genetic diversity in modern humans compared to other mammals. That indicates a very recent bottleneck at which the human population numbered no more than fifty to a hundred individuals. Any crossbreeding with a glorified ape PRIOR to that bottleneck and Africans would not get left out. Any crossing with a glorified ape AFTER the bottleneck but not involving Africans, and the genetic gap between Africans and everybody else would be gigantic, and not minuscule as it is.

Hominids such as the Neanderthal were the most advanced member of the same family of creatures as chimpanzees and gorillas; we are simply not a member of that family.

45 posted on 05/06/2012 2:48:17 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: UCANSEE2; blam

you can google

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS472US472&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=europeans+and+neadertals#hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS472US472&sclient=psy-ab&q=europeans+and+neadertals&oq=europeans+and+neadertals&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.12...0.0.0.168218.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.cqn%2Crate_low%3D0-01%2Crate_high%3D0-01%2Cmin_length%3D2..0.0.U3NmPvdSE_Q&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=d0f8cd49a0fc8cd2&biw=1920&bih=979

some anthro folks think so to some degree

and contrary to some ideas...Neandertals were far more advanced than has been previously thought

they have been given the Gaul blanket...a bunch of dummies when not true

blam is smarter than me...i always leave 3-4 pegs at Cracker Barrel


46 posted on 05/06/2012 8:03:48 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: wardaddy
"and contrary to some ideas...Neandertals were far more advanced than has been previously thought"

I agree with that...In fact, there is some thought that maybe we (modern humans - Caucasian/Asians) got some of our higher IQ from the Neanderthals.

There has been a recent discovery of a new human species in China.

Mysterious Chinese Fossils May Be New Human Species

47 posted on 05/06/2012 11:25:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
As I've noted, we now know what Neanderthals looked like:

You may have gotten YOUR IQ from that guy, none of mine comes from him. In fact, every Neanderthal who ever lived past eight or ten had some sort of a "tool kit" or a bag with knives, scrapers, and spear points, and in all those thousands of tools the one thing they've never found is a needle; that's right, a creature with a 6" fur coat doesn't NEED clothing or needles. By contrast, a google image search on "cro magnon needle" turns up lots of good ancient needles:

Another good google search is "neanderthal rodeo", which turns up any number hits comparing the kinds of injuries found amongst Neanderthal remains with those seen in rodeo performers, some such as one Wiki artgicle noting that The pattern of fractures, along with the absence of throwing weapons, suggests that they may have hunted by leaping onto their prey and stabbing or even wrestling it to the ground.[12]

The problem: I can easily enough picture a group of large and aggressive primates doing that (leaping onto aurochs and mammoths with knives and spears), but I don't have any picture of humans doing that or of anything close to a human doing that. Danny Vendramini is right; the Neanderthal was basically a bipedal and carniverous ape.

48 posted on 05/07/2012 7:41:18 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

Wow, that is some some first rate crazy at the link. :)

NFP


49 posted on 05/07/2012 4:40:13 PM PDT by Notforprophet
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To: Notforprophet

Friend’s site, no crazier than any other theory of human origins near as I can tell, quite a bit DIFFERERNT....


50 posted on 05/07/2012 5:02:42 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

That indicates a very recent bottleneck at which the human population numbered no more than fifty to a hundred individuals.


... very recent bottleneck = Mt Toba supervolcano eruption circa 74,000 BC. Very few of us survived.


51 posted on 05/11/2012 3:40:58 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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This is the entire neanderthal keyword, in the past hour I posted the neanderthalS keyword. I'm not going to mess with it further, at last not today. Also I'm not going to edit out the political topics that have probably crept in:
52 posted on 01/14/2015 12:02:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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53 posted on 07/09/2016 11:04:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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