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Of Neanderthals and dairy farmers
Harvard News Office ^ | December 11, 2008 | Alvin Powell

Posted on 12/15/2008 7:48:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv

Harvard Archaeology Professor Noreen Tuross sought to rehabilitate the image of Neanderthals as meat-eating brutes last week, presenting evidence that, though they almost certainly ate red meat, Neanderthal diets also consisted of other foods -- like escargot.

Evidence from Neanderthal bones collected from the Shanidar cave in Northern Iraq decades ago and analyzed recently by Tuross indicate that at least that particular Neanderthal was not a heavy carnivore. Neanderthals, she suggested, had a varied diet that included meat, but that was not solely or even largely made up of it. One possible alternative food was found in abundance in the cave, she said: land snails...

Tuross' attempt to show the Neanderthal's dietary diversity comes on the heels of studies that examined the concentration of a type of nitrogen atom that increases in animals as they feed up the food chain. One study showed that Neanderthals living in Vindija Cave in Croatia had higher concentrations of this atom than even top predators, leading researchers to conclude that Neanderthals were heavy meat eaters.

Tuross questioned that conclusion, however, saying that scientists don't know why that particular nitrogen isotope concentrates in predators, making it possible that other mechanisms are at work. In addition, she said, studies of Neanderthals on Gibraltar showed they had a varied diet, as do modern humans, who are among the most omnivorous animals on earth.

"Humans are promiscuous in our omnivory. We can eat almost anything and do eat almost anything, in prodigious quantities," Tuross said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.harvard.edu ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: dietandcuisine; godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

1 posted on 12/15/2008 7:48:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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Archaeologist Noreen Tuross has reached some surprising conclusions based on her study of the Neanderthal diet.
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Of Neanderthals and dairy farmers
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2 posted on 12/15/2008 7:50:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ah. Proof that the french are Neanderthals...


3 posted on 12/15/2008 7:52:58 AM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama? There will be a pop quiz every day for the next four years...miss a question, people die.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I don’t get her conclusion. Snails are animals therefore escargot is meat.


4 posted on 12/15/2008 7:55:58 AM PST by Varda
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To: null and void

Today: evidence that the Neanderthals ate escargot. Tomorrow: evidence that they also ate quiche.


5 posted on 12/15/2008 7:56:09 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

I’d eat a crow before I’d eat a snail.


6 posted on 12/15/2008 7:56:23 AM PST by varmintman
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To: varmintman

With enough garlic and butter, they aren’t bad.


7 posted on 12/15/2008 8:02:09 AM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama? There will be a pop quiz every day for the next four years...miss a question, people die.)
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To: varmintman; ChildOfThe60s
And a lot depends on the crow...


8 posted on 12/15/2008 8:04:26 AM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama? There will be a pop quiz every day for the next four years...miss a question, people die.)
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To: varmintman
On my honeymoon, 35 years ago, we went to New Orleans. I tried the escargot, and then and there made the vow that I would try any food one time.

Of course, as a friend told me, “Chesley, anything will taste good if you put enough butter and garlic on it.”

All that being said, while it ain't ‘cue, escargot has a lot to recommend it.

9 posted on 12/15/2008 8:05:08 AM PST by chesley (A pox on both their houses. I've voted for my last RINO.)
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To: Varda

Chicken is meat, too. So is fish. She’s trying to rebut the idea that Neandertal originated the vegans’ nightmare version of the Atkins Diet. ;’)


10 posted on 12/15/2008 8:13:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: varmintman

They are soooooo tasty. Of course, part of their deliciousness may pertain to the sheer surprise, ‘coz they’re not pretty to look at...


11 posted on 12/15/2008 8:14:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: varmintman

Somebody here on FR said that crow tastes like dove.
I’ve had escargot. Very good (Its the butter)
Now if I can get someone here to try slug? (and no, I won’t believe a solicited response)


12 posted on 12/15/2008 8:20:59 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Cold Heart

With garlic butter?


13 posted on 12/15/2008 8:22:37 AM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama? There will be a pop quiz every day for the next four years...miss a question, people die.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’d be more surprised if their diet didn’t include snails. They’re abundant, nourishing and (above all) easy to catch - no chance of being injured by a wounded, rampaging escargot.

I wonder if the fact that snails still form a significant part of the diet of the French and Spanish (I saw large bags of snails at a market in Valencia only a few weeks back) is linked at all to those places being the last refuge of the Neanderthal?


14 posted on 12/15/2008 8:24:33 AM PST by Natufian (The mesolithic wasn´t so bad, was it?)
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To: SunkenCiv
Neanderthal diets also consisted of other foods -- like escargot.

Mmm, Escargot!

I could live on Escargot w/garlic butter sauce and Moët Brut Champagne.
(That's the only things the Frogs are good for.)

15 posted on 12/15/2008 8:31:11 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: varmintman
'Snails' (escargots) are absolutely scrumptious. With Garlic Butter Sauce - not TOO much garlic - they are something to die for. Wash them down with some Moët Brut Champagne and you're in heaven.

(its funny but besides Escargot (snails), I love baked Clams, and Calamari (squid). But I can't stand 'Fish'.)

16 posted on 12/15/2008 8:42:42 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: SunkenCiv

Neanderthal diets also consisted of other foods — like escargot.

escargot without garlic, drawn butter and a chilled white wine is just...

snail.


17 posted on 12/15/2008 9:00:03 AM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: Condor51

That was a ribetting post.

/rimshot


18 posted on 12/15/2008 9:00:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: Natufian
no chance of being injured by a wounded, rampaging escargot
Somebody will figure out a way, just give 'em time.
19 posted on 12/15/2008 9:01:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: Chickensoup
:')
A Rumination on the Invention of Soup
March 1, 2002
It was a particularly tough and dangerous world back then. These hunter-gatherers were stuck in the last blast of the Wurm glaciation that killed off so much of their food and so many species. It was every man for himself as they ran fearfully from--and ran hungrily after--woolly mammoths, sabre-tooth tigers, wolves, and other hominids. And yet elderly Neanderthal skeletons have been found in France with teeth worn down below gum level--and deeply crippled skeletons have been found too. Implication: They could only have been kept alive through the compassion of their communities and the brilliance of some nouvelle cuisine chef who could find food alternatives to incredibly indigestible plants, meat tougher than my old aunt's shoes, and all of it cold. I try to put myself under the toque of that Stone Age Julia Child. I imagine him or her using bark to dip and carry water...putting food bits in it and noticing them soften or swell...marking how plants and berries, meat and marrow chunks would infuse the water with color and flavor. I imagine him or her getting the idea of warm broth from the 98.6 degree Fahrenheit mother's milk that kept little Neanderthal babies happy. That's when it hits me: Soup! It's an unbelievable achievement.

20 posted on 12/15/2008 9:03:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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