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'Astonishing' skull unearthed in Africa
BBC Online ^ | 10 July, 2002 | Ivan Noble

Posted on 07/10/2002 1:00:11 PM PDT by Kermit

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Wednesday, 10 July, 2002, 18:00 GMT 19:00 UK

'Astonishing' skull unearthed in Africa
Chad hominid skull, MPFT
Toumai: Oldest ancestor? Image: MPFT
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By Ivan Noble
BBC News Online science staff
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This is a picture of the recently unearthed human-like skull which is being described as the most important find of its type in living memory.


It's the most important find in living memory

Henry Gee
Nature
It was found in the desert in Chad by an international team and is thought to be approximately seven million years old.

"I knew I would one day find it... I've been looking for 25 years," said Michel Brunet of the University of Poitiers, France.

Scientists say it is the most important discovery in the search for the origins of humankind since the first Australopithecus "ape-man" remains were found in Africa in the 1920s.

The newly discovered skull finally puts to rest any idea that there might be a single "missing link" between humans and chimpanzees, they say.

Messy evolution

Analysis of the ancient find is not yet complete, but already it is clear that it has an apparently puzzling combination of modern and ancient features.

Hominid family tree graphic, BBC
Henry Gee, senior editor at the scientific journal Nature, said that the fossil makes it clear how messy the process of evolution has been.

"It shows us there wasn't a nice steady progression from ancient hominids to what we are today," he told BBC News Online.

"It's the most important find in living memory, the most important since the australopithecines in the 1920s.

"It's amazing to find such a wonderful skull that's so old," he said.

  What is the skull's significance?

The skull is so old that it comes from a time when the creatures which were to become modern humans had not long diverged from the line that would become chimpanzees.

There were very few of these creatures around relative to the number of people in the world today, and only a tiny percentage of them were ever fossilised.

So despite all the false starts, failed experiments and ultimate winners produced by evolution, the evidence for what went on between 10 and five million years ago is very scarce.

Grandparent, great uncle, great aunt?

There will be plenty of debate about where the Chad skull fits into the incomplete and sketchy picture researchers have drawn for the origins of the human species.

Chad hominid jaw, MPFT
The hominid's jaw was found later
Image: MPFT

"A find like this does make us question the trees people have built up of human evolution," Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum told the BBC.

Sahelanthropus tchadensis, as the find has been named, may turn out to be a direct human ancestor or it may prove to be a member of a side branch of our family tree.

The team which found the skull believes it is that of a male, but even that is not 100% clear.

"They've called it a male individual, based on the strong brow ridge, but it's equally possible it's a female," said Professor Stringer.

  What the experts say

Future finds may make the whole picture of human evolution clearer.

"We've got to be ready for shocks and surprises to come," he said.

The Sahelanthropus has been nicknamed Toumai, a name often given to children born in the dry season in Chad.

Full details of the discovery appear in the journal Nature.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anthropology; archaeology; evolution; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; multiregionalism; neandertal; neanderthal; paleontology; replacement; skulls
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I'm sorry, they simply cannot know, which fossils were related to other fossils, especially based on the tiny number of fossils they have. Question: How does one species beget another?
1 posted on 07/10/2002 1:00:12 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: Kermit
"They've called it a male individual, based on the strong brow ridge, but it's equally possible it's a female,"

Must be one of Janet Reno's ancestors...

2 posted on 07/10/2002 1:01:44 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: Kermit
Shoot! Posted here already. I did search, but with the quotation marks.:^|
3 posted on 07/10/2002 1:04:12 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: Kermit
>Question: How does one species beget another?

Question: How can this be 2002 and we still have adults who still don't know the answer to this question?

5 posted on 07/10/2002 1:20:57 PM PDT by DrCarl
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To: winnipeg
7 MILLION years ago, plus or minus a couple hundred thousand? Even if their science is good, they're still speculating. How do they know it's not from an ape?

The bottom line is the scientists have no real proof, just evidence. The great thing is, we can each believe what we wish!

6 posted on 07/10/2002 1:21:12 PM PDT by dixierat22
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To: dixierat22
>The bottom line is the scientists have no real proof, just evidence. The great thing is, we can each believe what we wish!

You have got to be kidding. Why are you so afraid that the overwhelming evidence supporting human evolution will rock your world? It's okay. We evolved. Fit your Good into it somehow.

7 posted on 07/10/2002 1:23:56 PM PDT by DrCarl
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To: dixierat22
How do they know it's not from an ape?

There are distinct differences between skulls from apes and hominids. Presumably there are enough characteristics in this find to allow the scientists to distinguish its hominid "status". Otherwise this wouldn't be described in such glowing terms.

8 posted on 07/10/2002 1:33:00 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: michellcraig
>This provesit !!!! There is no GOD!!!!

There never was a logical reason to think there was.

10 posted on 07/10/2002 1:37:44 PM PDT by DrCarl
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To: DrCarl
Doc Newdow, isn't there a lawsuit you should be filing or something?
11 posted on 07/10/2002 1:56:56 PM PDT by evilsmoker
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>Doc Newdow, isn't there a lawsuit you should be filing or something?

Thank your God for courageous geniuses like Newdow. Were human advancement left to people like you, we'd not yet have figured out what to do with caves.

12 posted on 07/10/2002 2:04:22 PM PDT by DrCarl
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To: Kermit
is thought to be approximately seven million years old.

Doesn't it seem that in seven million years we should have advanced further than we have.

13 posted on 07/10/2002 2:09:37 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: DrCarl
This proves it !!!! There is no GOD!!!!

Is this the proof you've been searching for? Does it explain the vast differences between man and the remainder of the planets life forms? Could those who accept the notion of a creator believe that an infinite God could not create a billion year old rock or a seven million year old skull?

14 posted on 07/10/2002 2:24:17 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: Kermit
Already posted. HERE.
15 posted on 07/10/2002 2:28:15 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: DrCarl
Thank your God for courageous geniuses like Newdow. Were human advancement left to people like you, we'd not yet have figured out what to do with caves.

Well since it wasn't left to us, then human advancement has been left to people like you. Pray tell good Doctor why the human psyche hasn't evolved one iota in all these years. Why haven't we conquered the 7 deadly sins? On the contrary, we seem to be regressing into barbarity. Anthropologists seem to be consumed with the understanding of the physical development of man, but are strangely silent when it comes to understanding the spiritual condition of mankind. Surely one cannot divide the two.

16 posted on 07/10/2002 2:32:31 PM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: DrCarl
There never was a logical reason to think there was.

We're not going to fall for the excluded middle any longer. Weren't you all over in Afghanistan sowing Existentialism in Taliban fields? The French Intellectuals SWAT Team. How'd that work out? Those Alqaida finally shrug their shoulders and give up?

17 posted on 07/10/2002 2:34:47 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Kermit
Maybe someone could answer this for me. Man apparently went through all sorts of evolving while at the same time the ape never changed. That is something I don't get.
18 posted on 07/10/2002 2:39:03 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Man apparently went through all sorts of evolving while at the same time the ape never changed. That is something I don't get.

What's the problem? If the ape is suited for his environment, and if his environment doesn't change, the ape won't change either. Ditto for sharks. Ditto for allegators. There's no law that says every species must change into something else.

19 posted on 07/10/2002 2:42:55 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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What's the problem? If the ape is suited for his environment, and if his environment doesn't change, the ape won't change either.

Well maybe I am making an assumption but I figured that the ape experienced the same environment changes as man did and I would have expected at least some changes over the same time period. I also thought that man and ape had about the same abilities at one time. When man changed so many times while the ape never changed I find that confusing.

20 posted on 07/10/2002 2:49:11 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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