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Neanderthals Stitched Too Little Too Late
Discovery ^ | Thursday, January 3, 2008 | Anna Salleh, ABC Science Online

Posted on 01/05/2008 9:27:43 AM PST by SunkenCiv

Neanderthals probably froze to death in the last ice age because rapid climate change caught them by surprise without the tools needed to make warm clothes, finds new research... By the time some Neanderthals developed sewing tools it was too little too late, said Gilligan... Most of the tools supposed to have given modern humans the edge over Neanderthals were actually more useful for making warm clothes. The important tools developed by modern humans included stone blades, bone points and eventually needles, which could cut and pierce hides to sew them together into multi-layered clothes including underwear, said Gilligan... Modern humans were more vulnerable to the cold than Neanderthals and developed these tools as far back as 90,000 years ago to cope with cooler parts of Africa, before the peak of the ice age... Gilligan says climatic evidence shows in the lead up to the glacial maximum there were unusually sudden and massive swings in global temperatures over short periods of time.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; iceage; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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And the parade of stupidity just keeps marching over the cliff. The reason for the continued mystification over and failure to agree about the extinction of Neandertal is, the Neandertal didn't go extinct.
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

1 posted on 01/05/2008 9:27:44 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 01/05/2008 9:28:22 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: SunkenCiv

Huh?

3 posted on 01/05/2008 9:34:44 AM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: SunkenCiv

Another reason I don’t buy this is the implication of their reasoning; i.e. that Neanderthals previously lived in a warmer climate and didn’t need to know how to make warm clothing.

Their very body characteristics indicate that they evolved in cold and harsh environs. As their ancestors (Heidelbergensis?) migrated into Europe they surely had to adapt and find ways to use animal skins and eventually some kind of warm clothing as they found colder and colder winters.

I really hate these snap-of-the-fingers theories where things went from A to B overnight.


4 posted on 01/05/2008 9:43:03 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of all the politics in politics.)
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To: cowboyway
A Neanderthal's Diary:

Friggin' cold today. The matches got wet and fire was impossible. SUV is out of gas and the nearest hotel is 40 miles.

The cave is sooo cold today. The fire won't start and the fish are frozen solid. Annie said I should "Sit on it". I dragged her outside by the hair and left her there.

Lo and behold, Annie brought back a deer deader than a doornail. Annie had slept in an old bed after I kicked her out and she shot him between the eyes when he returned. My Annie's a regular sharpshooter!! I'm gonna breed her tonight.

The weatherman is nuts. He said it was gonna get cold...he just forget to say....for years.

Weatherman says global warming is coming....as soon as we can get all the SUV's on the road again.

Annie ran off and joined a circus.

5 posted on 01/05/2008 9:48:04 AM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: SunkenCiv
By the time some Neanderthals developed sewing tools it was too little too late, said Gilligan...

Gilligan's got skilz.

6 posted on 01/05/2008 9:56:53 AM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: SIDENET

Just sit right back, and you’ll hear a tale...


7 posted on 01/05/2008 10:02:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I haven’t got a formal list, but I’ve read lots of different (and equally foolish, IMHO) reasons for the supposed demise of Neandertal. Here’s some off the top of my head.

- couldn’t talk (which means, couldn’t yell, “stop, don’t kill me”?)
- couldn’t talk well enough (after it was finally accepted that N could talk)
- couldn’t walk (or rather, couldn’t walk ‘right’)
- couldn’t walk fast enough
- ate too much meat, not enough fish
- couldn’t hunt
- couldn’t compete
- couldn’t adapt to the cold
and today...
- couldn’t sew, and therefore froze to death


8 posted on 01/05/2008 10:06:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: SunkenCiv

sew what?


9 posted on 01/05/2008 10:43:52 AM PST by wildbill
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To: SunkenCiv

My theory is they just ran out of beer!


10 posted on 01/05/2008 11:00:50 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: SunkenCiv
The important tools developed by modern humans included stone blades, bone points and eventually needles, which could cut and pierce hides to sew them together into multi-layered clothes including underwear, said Gilligan...

I wonder if the guys wore boxers or briefs.

11 posted on 01/05/2008 11:26:28 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Too bad they didn't make it. The Army would have an easier time finding new recruits. Semper Fi!


12 posted on 01/05/2008 11:36:25 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.azete.com/preview/22117

Examination of The Winton Dinosaur Project

‘Findings in the Queensland, Australia Winton Dinosaur project show that the sauropod named “Elliot” may have died with his mate by his side (Salleh 2003). Anna Salleh from ABC Science Online discusses the new fossil evidence found by Dr. Steve Salisbury from the University of Queensland, who is one of the leading researchers on the Winton Project (2003)...’

(Anna Salleh, an incurable romantic, describes how two dino’s chose to die together rather than be seperated...)


13 posted on 01/05/2008 3:02:49 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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Actually, I can see it. At one time the male sauropod knew how to feed itself, where to go to live, how to take care of itself. It got around fine and grew big and strong, master of its environment.
Then it found a mate. Then it found out it didn’t pick the right kind of leaves, didn’t live in the right meadow with the right kind of other sauropods, didn’t match the right twigs to the right branches for their nest; it coldn’t be trusted to be out alone.
So when the female sauropod died after choking on color coordinated berries, the male sauropod was so unused to thinking for itself after so many years it lay down and died.
I like to think it found peace.

This evolution story was brought to you by the Intelligent Design Corporation.

14 posted on 01/05/2008 3:19:22 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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15 posted on 01/05/2008 4:21:56 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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Ping to post 13.
16 posted on 01/05/2008 8:09:44 PM PST by kitchen (Any day without a fair tax thread is a good day.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The reason for the continued mystification over and failure to agree about the extinction of Neandertal is, the Neandertal didn't go extinct.

17 posted on 01/05/2008 10:26:38 PM PST by FreedomCalls (Texas: "We close at five.")
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To: SunkenCiv
Neanderthals probably froze to death in the last ice age because rapid climate change caught them by surprise

More theory! Guess the grant money is running low. /sarc

18 posted on 01/05/2008 10:41:41 PM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: ElkGroveDan

My favorite example is a report I read a few years back about Eskimo history. It claimed they were forced into the Arctic by stronger peoples and gradually developed their distinct lifestyle over perhaps five centuries.

The authors apparently didn’t realize that the early Eskimos would have all died in the first year, as many of the early European explorers did, if they hadn’t had most of these tools.


19 posted on 01/06/2008 9:43:43 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: FreedomCalls

I hated him in “The Hills Have Eyes”.


20 posted on 01/06/2008 8:44:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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