Anthropologist resigns in 'dating disaster'

Worlnetdaily ^ | February 19, 2005 | unattributed

[Woodworker]

Panel says professor of human origins made up data, plagiarized works

A flamboyant anthropology professor, whose work had been cited as evidence Neanderthal man once lived in Northern Europe, has resigned after a German university panel ruled he fabricated data and plagiarized the works of his colleagues. Reiner Protsch von Zieten, a Frankfurt university panel ruled, lied about the age of human skulls, dating them tens of thousands of years old, even though they were much younger, reports Deutsche Welle. "The commission finds that Prof. Protsch has forged and manipulated scientific facts over the past 30 years," the university said of the widely recognized expert in carbon data in a prepared statement.

Protsch's work first came under suspicion last year during a routine investigation of German prehistoric remains by two other anthropologists. "We had decided to subject many of these finds to modern techniques to check their authenticity so we sent them to Oxford [University] for testing," one of the researchers told The Sunday Telegraph. "It was a routine examination and in no way an attempt to discredit Prof. von Zieten." In their report, they called Protsch's 30 years of work a "dating disaster."

Among their findings was an age of only 3,300 years for the female "Bischof-Speyer" skeleton, found with unusually good teeth in Northern Germany, that Protsch dated to 21,300 years. Another dating error was identified for a skull found near Paderborn, Germany, that Protsch dated at 27,400 years old. It was believed to be the oldest human remain found in the region until the Oxford investigations indicated it belonged to an elderly man who died in 1750. The Herne anthropological museum, which owned the Paderborn skull, did its own tests following the unsettling results. "We had the skull cut open and it still smelt," said the museum's director. "We are naturally very disappointed."

Protsch, known for his love of Cuban cigars and Porsches, did not comment on the commission's findings, but in January he told the Frankfurter Neue Presse, "This was a court of inquisition. They don't have a single piece of hard evidence against me." The fallout from Protsch's false dating of northern European bone finds is only beginning.

Chris Stringer, a Stone Age specialist and head of human origins at London's Natural History Museum, said: "What was considered a major piece of evidence showing that the Neanderthals once lived in northern Europe has fallen by the wayside. We are having to rewrite prehistory." "Anthropology now has to revise its picture of modern man between 40,000 and 10,000 B.C.," added Thomas Terberger, an archaeologist at the University of Greifswald. Frankfurt University's president, Rudolf Steinberg, apologized for the university's failure to curb Protsch's misconduct for decades. "A lot of people looked the other way," he said.

[AndrewC]

ID makes the claim that it is possible to detect intelligence by examining the information content of patterns.

And how do they justify this claim? "It just is?"

Ever heard of writing?

[AndrewC]

We can use natural science to determine a natural pattern from an intelligently designed pattern! ID is a useful science!
Give us an example of where this has been done, when you don't know the history of the object.

Nazca

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Geographic Information Systems

Some 35,000 years ago, Cro-Magnon hunters drew pictures of the animals they hunted on the walls of caves near Lascaux, France, (fig. 1). Associated with the animal drawings are track lines and tallies thought to depict migration routes. These early records followed the two-element structure of modern geographic information systems (GIS): a graphic file linked to an attribute database.

[Bellflower]

No, I do not watch TBN, too much false stuff on there for me. It is easy to label what you don't understand or what may not be what you are use to. Truth can be stranger than fiction.

[Bellflower]

The label sons of God refers to those who come directly from God. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. Adam was called a son of God as he was directly created by God. The angels are called sons of God as they were directly created by God. All of mankind except Noah and his close family were judged and destroyed in the flood. Many would have been descendants of Seth but they certainly were not sons of God. Christians are the sons of God but this is only through adoption.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

[Bellflower]

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Are as the angels of God in heaven.

Jude verse 6: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

These angels are not in heaven but in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. The angels that are presently in heaven will never leave their first habitation as they know better. Apparently it was a test these angels failed as did the many that followed Satan, then Lucifer into damnation.

[PatrickHenry]

Wasn't the number actually 1066? (Which would make William the Conqueror the AntiChrist.)

Donno. When it gets past 69, I lose interest.

[js1138]

I agree that these appear to be produced by humans, but I would be curious why you think you don't know the history. I think if you saw any painting or depiction you would infer a history. But there are cases where you might be wrong. There are certainly natural phenomena that resemble carved figures. There are certainly objects that are argued about.

What is the objective method used to make the determination?

[shubi]

"Problems exist such as the Cambrian explosion"

It is not a problem. In recent years many more examples of precambrian fossils have been found. Calling the Cambrian an "explosion" is a bit of a stretch, anyway. It was over millions of years. We see the evolution of forms from the beginning of the Cambrian to the end. How does ID explain that? Does every little detail of anatomy change get separately designed?

Science doesn't waste its time investigating "systems" that are fantasies of misinterpreters of the Bible.

[shubi]

"Ever heard of writing?"

Sure we have heard of writing. Now, just show us some dinosaur writing and we will discard the theory of evolution.

[shubi]

What about the appearance of the face of Jesus or Mary that no one drew on a building, rock etc.? How does Andrew tell whether someone drew those or not?

What about the face of Jesus on that pancake that was sold on Ebay?

[shubi]

"Many would have been descendants of Seth but they certainly were not sons of God."

How many of Noah's family were asian? How many were Swedish?

Which of his family settled in the Congo?

[shubi]

"The angels that are presently in heaven will never leave their first habitation as they know better."

You would think an angel designed directly by God would "know better" before he got hammered.

[shubi]

"What is the objective method used to make the determination?" Since cavemen drew monkeys, it is obvious they were still there after humans were designed. So, evolution is false.

[Elsie]

A list of possibilites INCLUDED "ones I haven't thought of."

And when I elaborate on that, you get huffy and say it ain't so.

HMmmm.............

[Elsie]

(It was Mary on the flap, jack.)

[Doctor Stochastic]

[Elsie]

Chill, Dude. I'm sorry if I accused of something you had not intended. I just saw it as a similar thing as DNA, that's all.




My knowledge of 6800 code started in '77, when I first realized that programmable devices could simulate a whole LOT of hardwired circuitry. (This was the days when the first S-100 buss home computers were being sold, and S-100 memory was going for about $100 for 1k, on a circuit-board half the size of this keyboard!)

At an eletronic manufacturing symposium, I took notice of a small breadboard setup that was displaying an LED 7 segment clock. After talking to the rep, and discovering it was a microcomputer kit, I just HAD to have one. So I plunked down my $300 bucks and received: A 6800 CPU, a 6820 I/O chip, 8 7 segment displays, a hexidecimal key pad, about 2k of ROM and a whopping 256 BYTES of RAM!

This baby would load programs at a BLINDING 300 baud from any old taperecorder, and, after typing in the clock code, the wife says, after I am just AMAZED that it works, "So; we have a three hundred dollar clock."; totally unimpressed.

The ROM had the LED drivers in a subroutine, the keys were de-bounced in a subroutine, the I/O of the tape was handled as well in ROM. I found really fast that to get this thing to do much, I had to make REALLY tight code.

I managed to interface an ASCII keyboard to it as well as a ASCII output board (TV interface) so I could type things and they'd appear on the screen. Now THAT was a bit more impressive, since very few people had ANY access to computing in those days.

ASSEMBLY language? Bah! Hand coding was the only thing that worked on this machine. Although I found out later that BIG computers have the programs available to write things for the breadboard.)


Getting back to YOUR code, I have no way to tell if it could be done 'better'.

If it functions as the Designer intended, I'd leave it alone. Now, if the Designer would like to use less memory or faster loops, then the parameters have changed and a re-look IS called for.

Good luck.

[Matchett-PI]

"No, I do not watch TBN, too much false stuff on there for me. It is easy to label what you don't understand or what may not be what you are use to. Truth can be stranger than fiction."

You have shown yourself on this thread to be an undiscerning biblical illiterate. You did not come up with your crazy ideas about angels mating with humans, etc., all by yourself. Which grifter did you get it from? One of the biggest religious kooks that pedals that lie is Chuck Missler. Was it him?

Regardless of who it is, I will guarantee you that you will find his/her "ministry" listed at one of the counter-cult websites like this one

[grey_whiskers]

[Photo of apparent geographical feature mimicing a face deleted]

That looks like a cross between Planet of the Apes and The Man in the Iron Mask.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

Now, if the Designer would like to use less memory or faster loops, then the parameters have changed and a re-look IS called for.

Ah, those were the days.

I once tuned an IBM RS/6000 to run a molecular dynamics code within 10% of the speed of a Cray X-MP.

Replaced the numerical loops in the Adams-Moulton numerical integration package with the IBM BLAS equivalents.

(Other changes left unmentioned so I can feel smug.) :-)

Cheers!