Posted on 08/09/2004 9:12:32 AM PDT by MindBender26
Seems Kerry's "I'm a Swift Boat Hero" story has sprung another leak.
Kerry claimed a Bronze Star with "V" device for rescuing Jim Rassmann, an Army SF 0-2 after a mine exploded under a boat, knocking Rassman into the water.
That Kerry pulled Rassman out of the water is not contested, but the Bronze Star is now being questioned.
According to tro friends at network, not just Rassman but a total of 4 men went into the water that day. Kerry saved Rassman, another boat saved another soldier and a third boat pulled two people to safety!
The problem is, for the other boat skippers, it was all in a day's work. No medals were asked for, recomended or awarded.
Kerry pulls one in four out of the water and gets the Bronze Star!
What does not compute here????
Media types are at DOD Awards Branch, trying to get the documents on this.
Semper Gumby!
1) He is running for the highest office in the nation and placing his Military service as the centerpiece of his campaign.
2) There are severe discrepancies in his accounts and accounts of others with first hand knowledge.
3) Time is of the essence and records should be released now so the public can judge the truth before the election.
4) Kerry has partially released his records with gaps in them, thus negating his right to privacy
I suggest some sharp attorney file a lawsuit to release his records.....
The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and the Privacy Act provide balance between the right of the public to obtain information from military service records, and the right of the former military service member to protect his/her privacy. In general, information available from military service records which can be released without violation of the Privacy Act are: Name, Service Number (not Social Security Number), Rank, Dates of Service, Awards and Decorations, and Place of Entrance and Separation. If the veteran is deceased, the Place of Birth, Date of Death, Geographical Location of Death, and Place of Burial can also be released.
Court Order: Access to military personnel and medical records on file at the National Personnel Records Center, may also be gained pursuant "to the order of a court of competent jurisdiction." Subpoenas qualify as orders of a court of competent jurisdiction only if they have been signed by a judge. To be valid, court orders must also be signed by a judge. Authority for these requirements is 5 U.S.C. 552a(b) (11), as interpreted by Doe vs. DiGenova, 779 F. 2d 74 (D.C. Cir. 1985), and Stiles vs. Atlanta Gas and Light Company, 453 F. Supp. 798 (N.D. Ga.1978). http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/milrecords.htm
New posts to me but no answers. Where are they Jim?
Interesting, thanks
ha! Check this out, folks ..... if you haven't seen it already.
According to tro [sic] friends at network, not just Rassman but a total of 4 men went into the water that day. Kerry saved Rassman, another boat saved another soldier and a third boat pulled two people to safety!
The problem is, for the other boat skippers, it was all in a day's work. No medals were asked for, recomended or awarded.
Kerry pulls one in four out of the water and gets the Bronze Star!
This little fact is what Susan Estrich almost had a heart attack about the other night on Hannity and Colmes. She interrupted the swift boat vet just as he was getting to this. Stopped him cold and it was never brought up that night. I am glad to see this is being revealed.
"2. PCF NOT CAPABLE OF EXECUTING MARKET TIME PATROL"I knew that "Market Time" sounded familiar. Remember the other Kerrey medals? Bob Kerrey that is. Apparently he was assigned to Market Time (Task Force 115) at the same time as John Kerry. There were also some... errrr... discrepancies... in the award of his medals, as well. Small world.
Associated Press via chblue.com
[Bob] Kerrey lied about revealing civilian casualties
Saturday, April 28, 2001(snip)
Two newly declassified official reports concerning a raid on a Vietnamese village by Bob Kerrey's Navy SEAL team make no mention of civilian casualties that the former senator says he included in his initial after-action report on the incident.
The reports, both dated Feb. 25, 1969 - the day of the raid on Thanh Phong, a coastal hamlet in the Mekong Delta - were released Friday by the Naval Historical Center in Washington.
They are not signed, but military address codings suggest they are a message from Kerrey's immediate superior officer to the commander of SEAL Task Force 115 and that officer's reply.
Both refer only to "21 VC KIA (BC)," meaning "21 Viet (Viet Cong) killed in action (body count)." The senior commander's reply says the SEALS "have gained a well-deserved spotlight as a result of their successful and highly productive operations," and praises "the Kerrey Raiders of Market Time," saying they "not only surprised the enemy in his own sanctuary but struck him a severe and fatal blow. Well done."
Market Time was the code name for a U.S. Navy effort to interdict Viet Cong boats carrying ammunition and supplies along the coast of the South China Sea, where the communist forces controlled many populated areas.
The language is similar to that in a later citation awarding then-Lt. (jg) Kerrey, 25, the Bronze Star, the nation's fourth-highest award for valor. Kerrey has said recently that because a dozen of the victims turned out to be civilians, "the medal means nothing to me."
I noticed the Market Time reference :) Didn't know about Bob Kerrey and Market Time--interesting.
From what I read of the incident yesterday, there was no enemy fire at all - one of the boats set off a mine which blew four or five sailors into the water. Kerry, fearing an ambush, turned his boat and ran. The other boats in the patrol began to pick up those in the water. Seeing that there was no ambush, Kerry returned in time to pick up Rasmussen before the other boats got to him. Rasmussen was apparently really struggling to stay afloat because he had a lot of packs strapped to himself and, being panicked, was not in a position to see that other boats were handy and that one way or another, he would have been rescued by someone. He's just thankful that Kerry managed it. End of story.
That explains why the awards branch just told my husband it would take a up to a year to get his awards verified.
Semper Gumby!
LOL! I haven't heard that in years!
www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/SpotReports_March1969.pdf
Spot Reports for March, 1969 [pdf: 301kb]
I posted most of the text from that report HERE
Here is the text regarding injuries, a total of 7 if you include Kerry.
7. (C) WIA: LTJG RICHARD W. WQEES, USNR, HEAD AND BACK INJURY (MEDEVAC); ENS KENNETH S.TRYNER, USNR, BACK INJURY ( EDEVAC); GMG3 EARL HOLLISTER, USN, SCHRAPNEL WOUND GROIN (MEDEVAC); RD 3 LESLIE L. VORPHAL, USN, BACK INJURY (MEDEVAC ; LTG JOHN F. KERRY, USNR, SHRAPNEL WOUND LEFT BUTTOCK AND CONTUSION RT. FOREARM (MINOR); GMG3 WOLFE, USN, BACK INJURY, CONTUSIONS, AND ABRASIONS (MINOR); EN3 ARP USN, CONTUSIONS AND ABRASIONS (MINOR). ALL ATTACHED COSDIV ELEVEN. 1 VN MSF KIA (MEDEVAC).
Is this the report where the boat designations were mixed up?
"I'm not too mean spirited?"
Not hardly! After eight years of Clinton shenanigans, the term mean-spirited took on new meaning
at least for me.
When I am called mean-spirited by a lib, it is a badge of honor. Here are two links to more of my meanness.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1163131/posts?page=11608#11608
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1185436/posts?page=82#82
No, I certainly don't want him to be President and Commander-in-Chief. IMHO, he isn't worthy to wipe GW's boots.
Have you ever seen such a joyless person? It's as if he has lost his soul. Maybe he has, and that is definitely a person in need of prayer.
new movie! in 4 (self-loading) parts
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Kerry, NOT Bush, paralyzed by 9/11 attacks
Hear Kerry admit he could not think
THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES 3
UNFIT #10: 9/10 mindset
THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES 2
KERRY-DEMOCRAT CONTEMPT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY[annotated]
THE DEMOCRATS-ARE-GONNA-GET-US-KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES1
dox in sox on lummox in box on fox
THE REAL "REAL DEAL"
(what Kerry's commanders and crewmates REALLY think of him--with transcripts)
Did John Kerry pick a running mate or hire a lawyer when he selected John Edwards?
THE MAN FROM HOPE: been there, done that
"Hope is on the way!" (the scoop)
THE TERRORISTS' USEFUL IDIOTS
all the usual suspects
A Vote for Kerry is a Vote for the Terrorists
ELECTION BOTTOM LINE:
TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER or TERRORIST ANNIHILATOR
JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT SERIES:
taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
UNFIT #9-JOHN KERRY: DEADLY OPPORTUNIST
SELF-CONFESSED WAR CRIMlNAL MORPHS INTO SELF-PROMOTER WAR HERO
UNFIT #6: The Deadly Kerry-Hollywood Axis
HOW CAN YOU PUT YOUR CHILDREN'S LIVES IN ITS HANDS?
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#1-making the tough choices in a post-9/11 world
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#2-understanding the job description
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#3-sang-froid and the "nuclear" button
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#4 - Kerry champions tolerance for terrorists
sanitizing evil
Kerry Cabal Censors Nick Berg Decapitation
"Loose Cannon" Kerry's AWOL/PURPLE-HEART FRAUD
pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic
USEFUL IDIOTS
MOORE IS LESS--THE MOVIE
The Cycle of Violence:
NOW WITH HYPERLINKED INSTRUCTION MANUAL
JOHN KERRY'S RECKLESS TET-OFFENSIVE-GAMBIT REPLAY:
the left's jihad against America is killing our troops, aiding + abetting the terrorists and imperiling all Americans
bill clinton, boy "genius," unwittingly bares all on BBC
deconstructing clinton "just because I could"
vetting missus clinton...
The Parallel Universe of Jamie Gorelick
nepotism + tokenism = a nancy pelosi
(or a hillary clinton)
Kerry's Belated Condemnation Focuses on Process
Kerry Lacks Moral Authority to Condemn Content
"CRY BUSH" + Iraqi-Prisoner "Abuse"
What are the Dems up to?
DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EARS (The Perjurer Returns)
(Clinton: Claims I Turned Down Bin Laden are 'Bull')
The Mary Jo White Memo:
Documentation of clintons' and Gorelick's willful, seditious malfeasance
What is the REAL Reason for Gorelick's Wall?
giant sucking sound
KERRY MAKES DUKAKIS LOOK CONSERVATIVE, SMART + JUDICIOUS
MUST-READ BOOK FOR DEMOCRATS:
How clintons' Failures Unleashed Global Terror
(Who in his right mind would ever want the clintons back in the Oval Office?)
The Man Who Warned America
(Why a Rapist is Not a Fit President)
UDAY: "The end is near
this time I think the
Americans are serious, Bush is not like Clinton."
It's going to be a WONDERFUL day when our President lays his Cowboy Boot against Freakin's backside and punts this evil man out of our lives!
Stark contrast under different circumstances is what makes a person interesting.
Roger that! :)
Send and Email to ABC Primetime and other media outlets demanding that Kerry realeas his full military records.He must be pressured to release those records which are the only way to find out who is telling the truth.If he refuses to release them and the demand is loud enough he will look like he has something to hide.
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