Stony meteorites reveal the timing of Jupiter’s migration

Astronomy Magazine ^ | 13 Dec, 2016 | K.N. Smith

[MtnClimber]

Home/News/Stony meteorites reveal the timing of Jupiter’s migration 941 Stony meteorites reveal the timing of Jupiter’s migration The gas giant caused iron-vaporizing collisions in the asteroid belt 5 million years ago.

By K.N. Smith | Published: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 JUPITER_proccessed_image An artist's rendering of Jupiter WikiMedia Commons/ Ukstillalive The youngest stony meteorites in the solar system may reveal when Jupiter migrated through the asteroid belt. These meteors contain grains of metal that can only be the remnant of high-velocity collisions driven by Jupiter’s gravitational influence.

New evidence comes from a rare group of meteorites called CB chondrites. Formed around 4.8 to 5 million years ago, they’re the product of objects slamming into each other at very high speeds in the wild early days of the solar system. CB chondrites contain grains of iron and nickel whose structure means they must have condensed directly from a vapor to solid form. Those tiny irregular grains of condensed metal were once part of the iron-nickel cores of rocky objects in the early solar system, and their presence points to a series of high-speed collisions between those objects, with enough shock and heat to vaporize iron.

Our solar system didn’t always look like it does now. The gas giants may have begun their lives much closer to the Sun and then migrated outward, or they may have made only a brief venture inward before retreating again. The evidence of the gas giants’ migration is etched in the solar system they left behind – the composition and dynamics of the rocky objects of the inner solar system.

[MtnClimber]

Interesting theories.

[txnativegop]

Thanks for posting this!

[IndispensableDestiny]

Bah.

"The Martian Race had encountered the people of the fifth planet, grokked them completely, and in due course had taken action; the asteroid ruins were all that remained, save that the Martians continued to cherish and praise the people they had destroyed. This new work of art was one of many attempts to grok all parts of the whole beautiful experience in all its complexity in one opus. But before it could be judged it was necessary to grok how to judge it."

So says Heinlein in "Stranger in a Strange Land."

[FredZarguna]

Stony meteorites reveal the timing of Jupiter’s migration The gas giant caused iron-vaporizing collisions in the asteroid belt 5 million years ago.

The "million" in the article is spelled with a "b." It's also spelled wrong in the title of the piece at the site.

None of us would be typing here tonight if Jupiter had moved through the asteroid belt as recently as a few million years ago.

[BipolarBob]

Just more evidence for the Climate Changers. They’ll point to this. Mark my words.

[Flick Lives]

None of us would be typing here tonight if Jupiter had moved through the asteroid belt as recently as a few million years ago.

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I was thinking 5 million years ago is the blink of an eye in celestial time. The age of dinosaurs was 75 million years ago. To have Jupiter careening around the asteroid belt only 5 million years ago would have caused catastrophic meteor showers on earth.

[doug from upland]

How does it affect cher?

[FredZarguna]

Correct.

It likely also pulled the inner planets deeper into space along with it as it moved, helping to make the Earth (eventually) habitable.

The article makes it clear that the timeline of Jupiter and Saturn's movements from nearer to further orbits happened (according to this theory) in the formative stages of the solar system. That would be 4.5 - 5 billion years ago.

The fact that the article writer got it wrong in the title, and in the first paragraph of the article as well, means it's unlikely to have been a typo, and is a sad commentary on the quality of science writing in the early 21st century.

[Does so]

Jupiter “collected” those nasty asteroids billions of years ago. Such serendipitous, multiple events make me certain we are alone in the Cosmos.

[PIF]

“Such serendipitous, multiple events make me certain we are alone in the Cosmos.”

A Comos consisting of uncountable trillions of stars? What would be the point of that?

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

Formed around 4.8 to 5 million years ago

I'll take a 'b', Pat.

[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from 12/14/2016. Thanks MtnClimber.

KEYWORDS: catastrophism; deusexmachina; grandtackhypothesis; jupiter

[BenLurkin]

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks, nice graphic! although of course a gradualist model is a klunky, kludgy, cherry-pickin' model.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks again. I added the grand tack kw to a few more topics yesterday.

[Redcitizen]

She wishes she could have turned back time.

[SunkenCiv]

This topic was posted 12/14/2016, thanks MtnClimber.

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• New Horizons Probe Approaching Jupiter Fly-By, Slingshot [02/27/2007]
• New Horizons Movie Trailer [02/10/2007]
• Ocean Planets on the Brink of Detection [02/03/2007]
• Probe nears close encounter with Jupiter [01/19/2007]
• New insights into composition of giant planets [10/18/2006]
• Jupiter's Little Red Spot Growing Stronger [10/14/2006]
• Jupiter Ahoy! [09/26/2006]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day [07/25/2006]
• Jovian Storms Prepare To Duke It Out [06/05/2006]
• Jupiter moon 'full of holes' (2002) [05/14/2006]
• Jupiter's Great Red Spot Has Companion [05/07/2006]
• Hubble Snaps Baby Pictures of Jupiter's "Red Spot Jr." [05/04/2006]
• New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate Change [05/04/2006]
• Seventh planet has a blue ring [04/08/2006]
• We're going on a planet hunt [04/05/2006]
• Hot Jupiters do not rule out alien Earths [03/31/2006]
• Death Spiral: Why Theorists Can't Make Solar Systems [03/29/2006]
• NASA Finds Another Solar System Mystery based on Stardust mission [03/13/2006]
• Bomb Blasts Hit India (Man with freaking enormous head guards temple) [03/08/2006]
• Surprise! Jupiter Has A New Red Spot [03/03/2006]
• NASA plans new mission to Jupiter [06/03/2005]
• San Antonio institute gets Jupiter mission [06/03/2005]
• Planetary alignment caused tsunami: Scientist [04/21/2005]
• LINK LISTING - Space Propulsion Techniques and Technologies [01/24/2005]
• Rare Event: Jupiter to Hide Behind the Moon [12/03/2004]
• Clear outside? Look to the east before sunup! [11/05/2004]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 10-01-04 [10/01/2004]
• Northrop Grumman to co-design Jupiter moons explorer for NASA - JIMO / Prometheus [09/20/2004]
• In the shadow of the Moon [08/31/2004]
• Probe To 'Look Inside' Asteroids [07/28/2004]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 07-24-04 [07/24/2004]
• Jupiter's Moon Io, Continues To Puzzle Scientific Researchers [05/04/2004]
• Researcher Predicts Global Climate Change On Jupiter As Planet's Spots Disappear [04/27/2004]
• Jupiter changing its spots (global warming that isn't [04/23/2004]
• Jupiter's Spots Disappear Amid Major Climate Change [04/21/2004]
• Enigma of Uranus solved at last [03/10/2004]
• Radio Storms on Jupiter [02/20/2004]
• Reactor research to power journey to Jupiter's moons [02/10/2004]
• NASA Details New Space Goals to Staff - Employee presentation stresses affordability of plan [01/21/2004]
• Reworked images reveal hot Venus [01/14/2004]
• Cassini (en route to Saturn) Provides Best-ever [11/18/2003]
• Cassini Snaps Best Jupiter Image Ever [11/15/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 11-14-03 [11/13/2003]
• Mystery Spot On Jupiter Baffles Astronomers [10/23/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 10-09-03 [10/09/2003]
• Hubble Spots Two Tiny Uranian Moons [09/26/2003]
• NASA's Galileo ends with a bang - spacecraft explored Jupiter for 14 years is intentionally crashed [09/22/2003]
• Galileo End of Mission Status [09/21/2003]
• Journey's End: Galileo Set for Fiery Finale (Link to Webcast, set for today) [09/21/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 9-19-03 [09/19/2003]
• Galileo probe to collide with Jupiter on Sunday [09/17/2003]
• Galileo to crash into Jupiter [09/15/2003]
• NASA to crash Galileo probe into Jupiter [09/15/2003]
• Germophobic NASA to smash Galileo probe into Jupiter for fear of contaminating moon [09/14/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 9-06-03 [09/06/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 4-03-03 [04/03/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 3-21-03 [03/21/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 3-19-03 [03/19/2003]
• Heavenly Bodies Stir Up Routine Catastrophes [03/18/2003]
• Too Close For Comfort: Hubble Discovers An Evaporating Planet [03/14/2003]
• The Great Dark Spot [03/13/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 3-13-03 [03/13/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 3-09-03 [03/08/2003]
• NASA Releases New Images Of Jupiter [03/07/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 2-27-03 [02/27/2003]
• We are called to open up the heavens [02/10/2003]
• Galileo's study of Jupiter ends - NASA grateful for photos [02/10/2003]
• NASA Set to Unveil 'Jupiter Tour' Mission [01/29/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 1-20-03 [01/19/2003]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 12-18-02 [12/18/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 12-07-02 [12/06/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 11-27-02 [11/27/2002]
• Titanic Volcano Eruption Seen On IO [11/14/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 10-19-02 [10/19/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 9-25-02 [09/25/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 7-24-02 [07/24/2002]
• NASA Funding Shutters Galileo Camera for Amalthea Flyby (Jupiter) [07/09/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 7-06-02 [07/06/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 6-25-02 [06/25/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 6-22-02 [06/21/2002]
• Another Jupiter Twin Found in Flood of Planet Discoveries [06/19/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 6-16-02 [06/16/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 6-02-02 [06/01/2002]
• Humans on Europa: A Plan for Colonies on the Icy Moon [05/28/2002]
• 30 Billion Earths? New Estimate of Exoplanets in Our Galaxy [05/28/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 5-25-02 [05/24/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 5-22-02 [05/21/2002]
• Astronomers Confirm 11 More Moons for Jupiter [05/16/2002]
• Seldom-seen Celestial Show Tonight_May 13, 2002 [05/13/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 5-10-02 [05/10/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 5-09-02 [05/09/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 4-29-02 [04/28/2002]
• Project Orion:Its Life, Death, and Possible Rebirth [04/25/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 4-13-02 [04/13/2002]
• Astronomy Picture of the Day 3-27-02 [03/27/2002]
• Early Christians Hid The Origins Of The Bethlehem Star [12/21/2001]

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