Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)

Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

[SE Mom]

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

[Fred Nerks]

I wondered about that...

[Calpernia]

Don’t miss this nugget that USMCobra found!

[Calpernia]

BUMP!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2040486/posts?page=4620#4620

Boot The Toot!

[Fred Nerks]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Barak

“Daphne Barak is an Israeli-American interviewer whose subjects have included film and music celebrities, royalty, world leaders, and international personalities. Barak is often said to be the cousin of Ehud Barak, former Prime Minister of Israel...”

[null and void]

Wrơng. According to the law, If Husein were born in a foreign country to a non citizen father, his mother would have had to have been a US resident for 5 years as an adult for the child to be a "natural born citizen."

Not if they weren't married. And not under the law that was in effect when he was born, either.

[TomasUSMC]

David you seem to have a real good handle on the COLB issue. Do YOU think he is in hawaii for that?

[Fred Nerks]

thanks, I'm wondering if we shouldn't post that here entire, instead of just the link.

Found this on the same weblink:

I have mailed the following letter following conversations with Contrairimairi and others who have suggested an FEC investigation of the Obama birth information. Currently, it does not appear that any one government office has taken responsibility for verification of a candidate's eligibility to be president, and part of this inquiry is to force the FEC to clarify who is responsible.

PO Box 130 West Shokan, New York 12494 mlangbert@hvc.rr.com http://www.mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com August 6, 2008

Mr. Donald F. McGahn, II, Chairman Federal Election Commission 999 E Street, NW, Washington, DC 20463

Dear Mr. McGahan:

I would like to file a formal complaint with the Federal Elections Commission requesting verification of the natural-born U.S. citizenship of Mr. Barack Obama, and revocation of the registration and recognition of Mr. Obamas candidacy for president of the United States if that citizenship is not verified as described below within 7 days of the FEC receipt of this letter. Mr. Obama has not shown that he fulfills the Constitutional requirement for president, to be a natural born citizen, Article Two, Section 1.

The basis for this complaint is: ...

[usmcobra]

Many people think that if you are born on American Soil you must be an American Citizen, and in theory that is true.

However, if one of your parents is not an American Citizen, usually your father, and if that parent Registers you as a National of their country and if that country does not recognize the concept of Dual Citizenship/Nationality you are not an American unless you become Naturalized.

The Nationality of your American Parent and your place of Birth are not relevant, the Law of the other Country takes precedence under The Master Nationality Rule of Article 4 of the Hague Convention of 1930.~~~~~~

If Kenya does not recognize Dual Nationality, Senator Obama is a Kenyan and has been since he was two years old. Prior to that he would have been a British Subject.

If his mother gave up her US Citizenship, and if he was Adopted by her Second Husband, and if Indonesia does not Recognize the Concept of Dual Nationality, Senator Obama is an Indonesian.

In neither case does his Place of Birth or his mothers Nationality have any legal Consequence whatsoever because the USA accepts the existence of Dual Nationality only if the other country does.

Hague Conventions are applied by the USA and this has been US Law since before 1930 (see:Memorandum on Nationality, including Statelessness: Document A/CN.4/67, Prepared by Ivan S Kerno, International Law Commission, United Nations General Assembly, 6th April 1953.)

Link Here

I have had many arguments about Obama's need to reaffirm his citizenship at the age of eighteen according to the laws and processes the State Department has for doing so and every time I have been told that dual citizenship does not matter and that you cannot lose your US citizenship unless certain conditions have been met.

this is the first example of what I have been talking about that our laws do have a means by which someone that has previously lost their citizenship by the actions of a Parent can reaffirm it at eighteen or lose it permanently if they don't follow those steps as required by law and in the process as set by the State Department.

(b) A national who within six months after attaining the age of eighteen years asserts his claim to United States nationality, in such manner as the Secretary of State shall by regulation prescribe, shall not be deemed to have lost United States nationality by the commission, prior to his eighteenth birthday, of any of the acts specified in paragraphs (3) and (5) of section 349(a) of this title.

Now before any of you tell me that this country doesn't recognize other countries' rights to forbid dual citizenship, this country sign an treaty that says we will and we must honor that treaty and it's conditions.

[ThanhPhero]

Interesting. That man’s origins are curious, to say the least.

[null and void]

Yeah. Not only are the documents offered very questionable, the law is a thicket of conflicting and changing rules, and the underlying constitutional issues have never been fully addressed.

[Spunky]

He was making some pretty good arguments until he said this;

"He must have a US Birth Certificate or he could not have a US Passport and he must have produced a Birth Certificate at the time of his Marriage to Michelle and that copy must be on Record in Chicago. There is no obvious reason for him to refuse to publish it since it must be on publically accessible Records outside Hawaii.~~~~~~"

I never showed any Birth Certificate when I got a license to get married. Neither did any of my children. We only had to sign an affidavit saying we were of age.

[David]

Thus, I view this account as indirect confirmatory evidence that Senior must have been in Hawaii—not Africa—during the period Feb. through July 1961. Once Ann’s pregnancy became obvious (it’s not clear when either set of parents were made aware of this), any concerns about marriage presumably were displaced by much more immediate and practical concerns.

Who knows. In my theory, they decide to get married; recognize that the marriage constitutes the crime of bigamy in the US; in the semester break in late January 1962, they fly to Kenya and get married. She gets along well with Sarah and moves in intending to stay until the time of the birth and then return; he returns to Honolulu because of his school obligations.

Probably there is merit in both stories; to some degree they may have been cooked up to support a fairy tale that gets the birth out of Kenya.

[David]

It indicates he wasn't in Kenya, but it doesn't demonstrate he was in Hawaii, either

It's interesting that this article dates back to when Obama was running for senator.

Since foreign birth does not impact one's ability to be a senator, there was no compelling reason to lie about his being born locally.

ASSUMING the allafrica.com archives haven't been altered, this is very strong evidence that we can put the out-of-Africa theory to rest.

He's been running for President since he was 14 years old--for most of the period he has known that he has a problem with Article II, Sec. 1 of the Constitution.

As to where Obama Sr. was, he wasn't the one who was pregnant.

[David]

If, in fact, his father Registered his Birth in Mombasa it would provide bona fide evidence that Barack Hussein Obama, Snr, intended his son to have British, or Kenyan, and not US Citizenship.

THIS was verified by the Obama Campaign. When the campaign was questioned about a birth certificate in Mombasa, THEY said, no Mombasa registered the birth.

I speculate that the problem they have with letting people look at the Mombasa birth registration is that it says he was born in Kenya and if the Mombasa documents come out, they intend to say that is simply an error--he wasn't born there.

The fundamental Constitutional problem with definition of the term "natural born" is this. With respect to a person who becomes a U S Citizen at birth (and Obama did not if he was born in Kenya) even though born outside the US is that they are subject to sovereignty where they are born which may well define them as citizens of some other country, subject to sovereignty of such country. That is why most Constitutional lawyers think the term "natural born" means born within the geographical confines of the US.

I don't think Senior's intention has much to do with it. If Obama was born in Honolulu, he is going to be held eligible; if he was born in Kenya, he is not. Simple as that.

[David]

Don’t miss this nugget that USMCobra found!

Just to be clear, I think there is a reasonable argument that the multiple citizenship issues present a problem with respect to both Kenya and Indonesia. If Obama in fact did something after he reached the age of legal capacity to affirm one of those other relationships, it would exacerbate the problem.

Absent that, I think if it turns out he was born in Hawaii, he is likely to be held eligible; if not, he isn't; even if he was a citizen when he was born which I believe he was not.

[David]

David you seem to have a real good handle on the COLB issue. Do YOU think he is in hawaii for that?

My view is only a somewhat speculative judgment. But they are aware that they have a problem and I assume they recognize a fair chance the problem will be effectively surfaced, maybe by his Democrat Party opponents at the Credentials Committee at the convention.

So I assume that he needs to make an assessment of what his (real) grandmother (Dunham) will say if he exposes her to the press; and to look at the actual paper record in the hands of the Department of Health with a view to developing a legend that will fit the documents if possible.

If I were the lawyer hired to manage a legal effort to unseat him, one of the places I would start would be Hawaii. So it stands to reason that is also a place he would go to firm up his defenses.

[null and void]

Pity we can’t get someone to dog his every step.

[null and void]

Silly question:

When birth records are altered is there any mark to distinguish an altered record, some method for those ‘in the know’ to discern that there might be earlier records under seal?

Like, for example, a different boarder style...

[Fred Nerks]

I don’t think has anything to do with your question, but I keep staring at this and asking myself, what is it trying to tell me?

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/DE-KOS-TA.gif

website URL...scroll down but don’t open the security certificate:

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

[21stCenturyFreeThinker]

The Nationality of your American Parent and your place of Birth are not relevant, the Law of the other Country takes precedence under The Master Nationality Rule of Article 4 of the Hague Convention of 1930.~~~~~~

The problem is that it takes more than a treaty to override the US Constitution. The 14th amendment grants citizenship to all children born on US soil.* It would take an amendment to the Constitution to comply with a treaty like that. The Constitution trumps treaties. US law trumps treaties. We violate treaties all the time.

If a citizen's citizenship could be given away by treaty you can bet the members of one of the political parties would have lost theirs by now. A treaty with the microscopic island of umba-bomga.

As I pointed out in this post, SEC. 349. [8 U.S.C. 1481] does not leave a hole for Obama can fall into.

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* short of the offspring of certain holders of diplomatic passports.