14 min clip from Viva/Robert Barnes podcast. Barnes explains why DeSantis is running for president, donors convinced him Trump would be kneecapped by numerous indictments (most have failed) and thus DeSantis would win the primary. Secondly, DeSantis will not win the general because Trumpers will not vote. Outcome - destroy Trump, DeSantis and MAGA in one swoop. Barnes also explains the case against Trump and other insights. Worth the time.