Posted on 10/05/2009 11:22:44 AM PDT by Gamecock
An Italian scientist says he has reproduced the Shroud of Turin, a feat that he says proves definitively that the linen some Christians revere as Jesus Christ's burial cloth is a medieval fake. The shroud, measuring 14 feet, 4 inches by 3 feet, 7 inches bears the image, eerily reversed like a photographic negative, of a crucified man some believers say is Christ. "We have shown that is possible to reproduce something which has the same characteristics as the Shroud," Luigi Garlaschelli, who is due to illustrate the results at a conference on the para-normal this weekend in northern Italy, said on Monday. A professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pavia, Garlaschelli made available to Reuters the paper he will deliver and the accompanying comparative photographs.
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“Garlaschelli received funding for his work by an Italian association of atheists and agnostics but said it had no effect on his results. “
OK, sure. Whatever you say...
Oh, and you conveniently left out this part:
Garlaschelli received funding for his work by an Italian association of atheists and agnostics but said it had no effect on his results.
"Money has no odor," he said. "This was done scientifically. If the Church wants to fund me in the future, here I am."
If true - using technology of today - 2000 years more advanced that what was available.
“”We have shown that is possible to reproduce something which has the same characteristics as the Shroud,” Luigi Garlaschelli..”
That’s it? That’s the world shattering announcement? “We discovered that something could be faked, therefore that proves that it was faked?” Ummmm, yeah right. I’ll bet this scientist also believes that of event B happened after event A then event A must have cuased event B.
“Money has no odor,”...
But this “study” does...
“If true - using technology of today - 2000 years more advanced that what was available.”
Am I the only one who reads the article:
“Garlaschelli reproduced the full-sized shroud using materials and techniques that were available in the middle ages.”
“They placed a linen sheet flat over a volunteer and then rubbed it with a pigment containing traces of acid. A mask was used for the face. The pigment was then artificially aged by heating the cloth in an oven and washing it, a process which removed it from the surface but left a fuzzy, half-tone image similar to that on the Shroud. He believes the pigment on the original Shroud faded naturally over the centuries.”
Wow! Those early church scientists really knew their stuff!
The carbon date shows this is from late 1200s.
It’s been pretty well debunked as legit.
(And yes, I am a Christian. I just happen to think this artifact is a fake.)
“that is possible to reproduce something which has the same characteristics as the Shroud”
Weasel words. It’s made of cloth rather than rice-paper? Same characteristics?
How many “characteristics” does it have to share with the Shroud before it shows it could have been manufactered long after the fact? Will it need to have the “characteristics” of the pollen from the Jerusalem area that only blooms in the spring?
This is a “village idiot” planted story, so, of course, the media eat it up.
More like late 1200s con-men who rooked honest Churchmen.
Interesting that no pics accompanied the article. I wonder if the new shroud has Obama’s face.
Whatever he may have produced, his willingness to make such a statement defines him as something other than a scientist.
How on earth could it do that?
If I convincingly fake a dollar bill, how does it prove that the one in your pocket is also a fake?
Carbon-date some Shroud threads NOT taken from the 13th century patch and see what the age is. That's science. But pretending that a fake proves that something else is a fake is just lunacy - or rather, it's the dishonest advancement of an atheist agenda.
Also: if the Shroud image is caused by a natural process to do with, I don't know, ammonia, heat, blood, aloes, whatever then reproducing the effect hardly falsifies the Shroud. Rather, it tends to validate it.
“left a fuzzy, half-tone image similar to that on the Shroud.”
Operative word: “similar.”
How has this “scientist’s” claim been subjected to peer review or independent falsification?
It’s proof of concept that the shroud could have been faked.
I could do the same thing with cloth, lemon juice, and a candle.
Very mysterious.
I’m unclear how this experiment proved or disproved anything with the Shroud of Turin. Anything that has ever happened in the natural world can, under the right circumstances, happen again in a similar fashion. This is true of the chocolate chip cookies my wife baked yesterday, and it is true of the Shroud of Turin too.
“left a fuzzy, half-tone image similar to that on the Shroud.”
Operative word: “similar.”
A pig is similar to a human if one is comparing both human and pig to a shovel.
A man is similar to a woman if comparing both to a pig.
Two brothers are similar to each other if comparing both to their great-grand-dad.
Similar is such a lovely word.
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