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Anthropologist resigns in 'dating disaster'
Worlnetdaily ^ | February 19, 2005 | unattributed

Posted on 02/19/2005 7:36:30 AM PST by Woodworker

Panel says professor of human origins made up data, plagiarized works

A flamboyant anthropology professor, whose work had been cited as evidence Neanderthal man once lived in Northern Europe, has resigned after a German university panel ruled he fabricated data and plagiarized the works of his colleagues. Reiner Protsch von Zieten, a Frankfurt university panel ruled, lied about the age of human skulls, dating them tens of thousands of years old, even though they were much younger, reports Deutsche Welle. "The commission finds that Prof. Protsch has forged and manipulated scientific facts over the past 30 years," the university said of the widely recognized expert in carbon data in a prepared statement.

Protsch's work first came under suspicion last year during a routine investigation of German prehistoric remains by two other anthropologists. "We had decided to subject many of these finds to modern techniques to check their authenticity so we sent them to Oxford [University] for testing," one of the researchers told The Sunday Telegraph. "It was a routine examination and in no way an attempt to discredit Prof. von Zieten." In their report, they called Protsch's 30 years of work a "dating disaster."

Among their findings was an age of only 3,300 years for the female "Bischof-Speyer" skeleton, found with unusually good teeth in Northern Germany, that Protsch dated to 21,300 years. Another dating error was identified for a skull found near Paderborn, Germany, that Protsch dated at 27,400 years old. It was believed to be the oldest human remain found in the region until the Oxford investigations indicated it belonged to an elderly man who died in 1750. The Herne anthropological museum, which owned the Paderborn skull, did its own tests following the unsettling results. "We had the skull cut open and it still smelt," said the museum's director. "We are naturally very disappointed."

Protsch, known for his love of Cuban cigars and Porsches, did not comment on the commission's findings, but in January he told the Frankfurter Neue Presse, "This was a court of inquisition. They don't have a single piece of hard evidence against me." The fallout from Protsch's false dating of northern European bone finds is only beginning.

Chris Stringer, a Stone Age specialist and head of human origins at London's Natural History Museum, said: "What was considered a major piece of evidence showing that the Neanderthals once lived in northern Europe has fallen by the wayside. We are having to rewrite prehistory." "Anthropology now has to revise its picture of modern man between 40,000 and 10,000 B.C.," added Thomas Terberger, an archaeologist at the University of Greifswald. Frankfurt University's president, Rudolf Steinberg, apologized for the university's failure to curb Protsch's misconduct for decades. "A lot of people looked the other way," he said.


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To: VadeRetro

Been THERE!!

Both electric and phone...


(Just too lazy to do it, rather than lack of funds.)


581 posted on 02/22/2005 2:00:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: shubi

Sure does, now that you point it out!


582 posted on 02/22/2005 2:01:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Thatcherite

You raise the dead, heal the sick, give sight to the blind, and I'll consider YOU omniscient too!


WHEN you acquired this power would be moot.


583 posted on 02/22/2005 2:04:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
You raise the dead, heal the sick, give sight to the blind, and I'll consider YOU omniscient too!

You'd be wrong to. Omniscience is not necessary for any of those things. In fact modern medicine does a pretty good job of the last 2. We're working on number one. ;)

Anyway I was not contending that Jesus was or wasn't omniscient. I was merely contending that I could imagine a Christian believing that Jesus the man wasn't omniscient.

584 posted on 02/22/2005 2:06:50 PM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Elsie

OH what?


585 posted on 02/22/2005 2:07:58 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Thatcherite
You'll need a much clearer statement than you've provided so far.

You mean that YOU'LL need more 'proof' than that; right?

It don't get much MORE clear than that, but, you are in good company:



NIV John 14:5-11
 5.  Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
 6.  Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
 7.  If you really knew me, you would know  my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
 8.  Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
 9.  Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'?
 10.  Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
 11.  Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
 
NIV John 20:24-31
24.  Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.
 25.  So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!"   But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."
 26.  A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"
 27.  Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."
 28.  Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
 29.  Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
 30.  Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
 31.  But these are written that you may  believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
 
 

586 posted on 02/22/2005 2:10:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

My mother in law is very ape like.


587 posted on 02/22/2005 2:10:48 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: mike182d

CREATION was NOT finished until GOD rested: the seventh 'day'.


588 posted on 02/22/2005 2:12:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Sorry, I still don't see a clear statement of Jesus the man's omniscience there. Just because you believe that He was omniscient it doesn't follow that that is true, even if the bible is inerrant, unless you can find a literal statement of that fact.


589 posted on 02/22/2005 2:12:27 PM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Thatcherite

Just because Jesus was omniscient, doesn't mean He would have to use His omniscience while on Earth or at least not constantly. How can you be omnipotent if you can't shut something off when you want to?


590 posted on 02/22/2005 2:12:44 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi

Oh..

....I don't know you were an ID'er


591 posted on 02/22/2005 2:13:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: shubi

Oh... (try again)

....I didn't know you were an ID'er


592 posted on 02/22/2005 2:14:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: shubi

(Don't let your WIFE see this!!!!)


593 posted on 02/22/2005 2:15:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

I didn't say DNA was designed by anything intelligent.

A spider web is designed, by I don't credit the spider with much more intelligence than some of our fanatic creationist posters.


594 posted on 02/22/2005 2:15:24 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Elsie
You'll need a much clearer statement than you've provided so far. You mean that YOU'LL need more 'proof' than that; right? It don't get much MORE clear than that, but, you are in good company

What I am saying is that AFAICS you are just making up something that isn't in the text. It may or may not be standard doctrine. I don't know. But I thought you guys were keen on the literal words.

595 posted on 02/22/2005 2:18:05 PM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Dataman
I see in your next post you picked several examples that do not support your claim but you link them as if they do.

Brazen dishonesty on your part, Dataman. Just brazen. <shaking head>

This goes beyond fear-induced rigid defense of a religious dogma, IMO.

596 posted on 02/22/2005 2:25:01 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Debugging Windows Programs by McKay & Woodring)
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To: VadeRetro

Of course I've seen that one and I'll be glad to use it when I want to sound like Spongebob Squarepants. But I need more than one snicker in my quiver.


597 posted on 02/22/2005 2:25:33 PM PST by furball4paws (It's not the cough that carried him off - it's the coffin they carried him off in (O. Nash -I think))
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To: jennyp

The key word, jennyp, is "fear".

i have a hard understanding what it is like to be in constant fear.


598 posted on 02/22/2005 2:35:19 PM PST by furball4paws (It's not the cough that carried him off - it's the coffin they carried him off in (O. Nash -I think))
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To: shubi
Religion is a survival adaptation similar to our other social adaptations. However, there is also a great deal of influence in non-genetic factors including parenting, heritage, custom and peer pressure.

Define your terms, please...

Many of the athiests on this thread might not agree that religion is a survival adaptation--and Bill Maher thinks that Christianity is a neurological disorder. (BTW, why didn't he say that about Islam after 9-11, instead of praising the 'courage' of M. Atta and his cohorts for committing exotic murder/suicide?)

And many Christians would suggest that
a) Christianity is not useful merely for survival, as St. Paul lamented -- "If for this life only we have trusted in Christ, we are of all men most to be pitied."

b) Christianity is not merely a social adaptation, but purports to give in some measure--even if only "through a glass darkly"--real information about God and the reciprocal relations of God and Man.

Cheers!

599 posted on 02/22/2005 2:36:48 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: furball4paws

OOps!

"hard time" (wonder if that's Freudian?)


600 posted on 02/22/2005 2:36:51 PM PST by furball4paws (It's not the cough that carried him off - it's the coffin they carried him off in (O. Nash -I think))
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