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TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO CALLING ALL FREEPERS Pt2 Disabled FL woman given Death Sentence by FL Courts
09-21-03 | pc93

Posted on 09/21/2003 12:13:53 PM PDT by pc93

Terri's Call to Action Part 1 is over 5000 posts. If you don't want to get caught up to speed at Part 1:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/971896/posts?q=1&&page=5167#5167

Simply visit Terri's official web site at:

http://www.terrisfight.org

There are contact numbers at her web site for her core media team, legislators, media and for press updates.

See flash movies of Terri interacting with her mother, responding to a physician and see for yourself that she's not in PVS "persistant vegetative state").

In addition to access a text file with a lot of information see:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/FedCourtDktCaseNo8_03-cv-1860-T-26TGW.txt

If you want to join Terri's fight, it's important for us to CONTACT BUREAUCRATS, THE MEDIA and also your friends and family. It's up to you how you choose to Help Terri.

Pinellas Pasco Judge Greer set October 15, 2003 at 2:00 p.m. for her feeding tube to be removed. There's something wrong with Florida's exit protocols and the way the courts handle new information re: criminality (misrepresentation, attempted murder, etc.) affecting a case. There was no living will, only the assertion of a very suspect, so-called husband, his brother, etc. that Terri would not want to live on life support. Terri is not on life support, she is not comatose or PVS and she is not living "artificially". She does get sustenance from a feeding tube but only because she has been denied rehabilitation by her so-called husband after he won a malpratice lawsuit three years after her collapse (cause unknown but probably due to strangulation or physical abuse, or both) which is why Terri needs an army of supporters to spread her story from coast to coast. Terri has retained rights that are being sidestepped because she is disabled and has been denied rehabilitation! The technologies of rehabilitation have greatly improved exponentially yet Judge Greer has not let Terri have a chance to learn to eat or to be able to learn to speak/communicate again. Also new information bearing on the case which shows criminality on husband's side has not been considered by the 2nd District Court of Appeals who handed down Mandate for termination of Terri's feeding based upon testimony of criminal husband and brother as above stated. Who is next?

Let's make a difference! Thank you for your efforts.


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To: floriduh voter
My understanding of Crist's role in this would be more in line with a public defender. Because the state has been accused of crimes, the state must be represented as a separate entity in court. It is Crist's job to assume that role. JMHO
521 posted on 09/25/2003 8:20:05 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Terri's story must be told to the masses. Pray with us for this woman and her family.)
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To: syriacus
It is so difficult for me to talk about this without being so angry and hurt, but Nancy was apparently quite able to eat food on her own after the accident. Her eyes were open and she smiled and laughed. Imo, Nancy was the first victim to be presented to the public as a "coma" case, very similar to Terri actually.

Having read excerpts of the book the attorney wrote, the one who represented her parents in having her killed....he spoke in one part about seeing Nancy for the first time and being shocked to see her eyes open and her apparent "life".

Just a few nights ago I found article after article in the NEJM about how to help kill these people ( my words) when they look so alive. All of these discussions about how to get past the hurdle of the victims themselves looking so alive to others.

It seems to me that since that time, they have come up with their approach. I call it the "empty shell" approach. It's the thing you hear over and over from the right to kill movement, about how the person looks alive but really that is just a shell of a person there. Christine's father used it over and over again in public.

To seal that approach in time, the attorney I spoke of above, in case you didn't know, wrote a book about killing Nancy subtitled the deaths of Nancy Cruzan. Deaths, plural. And apparently on her gravestone they have three dates, her birthdate, the date she "really" died in the accident, and the date they killed her with dehydration.

These people just make me ill. To think of that poor woman looking forward to her can of food, and what they did to her, makes me want to cry.

Lord, can there be any better description of evil than the things that are happening, have happened in these stories? If this is routine now, what is ahead of us?

522 posted on 09/25/2003 8:40:55 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

523 posted on 09/25/2003 8:46:10 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
What about this story sounds familiar?

What Really Happened with Nancy Cruzan

Misunderstanding #1: Medical experts agree that Nancy was in a persistent vegetative state.

Fact: Two physicians testified that Nancy was not in a persistent vegetative state. Also, four nurses testified that Nancy interacted with and responded to them.

Misunderstanding #2: Nancy Cruzan was terminally ill.

Fact: A terminal condition is an incurable condition caused by injury or illness that reasonable medical judgment finds would cause death imminently. No one ever testified that Nancy's case was terminal. In fact, it was expected that she would live an average life span with continued care.

Misunderstanding #3: Nancy Cruzan could never have been fed orally.

Fact: Following her accident Nancy was spoonfed soft foods such as mashed potatoes, bananas, eggs and drinking juice. The initial reason for inserting a feeding tube into her abdomen was "to make her long-term care easier." It is acknowledged that as time passed her ability to take food and liquids orally would have diminished.

Misunderstanding #4: Nancy Cruzan was being kept alive by state-of-the-art technology.

Fact: The idea of feeding by tube directly into the abdomen was first suggested by a physician in 1790. The first insertion of a feeding tube into the abdomen was in 1845. The first serviceable feeding tube for continued care was invented in 1856. In short, the technology had been around for over 100 years.

Misunderstanding #5: Nancy's care was excessively expensive, invasive and painful.

Fact: The cost of Nancy's liquified food was $7.80 per day. The cost of caring for Nancy at the Missouri Rehabilitation Center was about $120,000 of state money. It would also have been possible for Nancy to be cared for at home. Though a Kangaroo Pump was used at the Center to pump the food into her abdomen it generally is not needed. Cans of liquified food can be purchased at a pharmacy without prescription. It can be shaken and poured into a dispensing container or bag. That could easily have been fed into the abdomen by gravity without the use of a pump. With regular turning in bed to prevent bed sores Nancy could have been cared for at home.

Misunderstanding #6: Nancy could only have been cared for in a medical facility.

Fact: The previous information reveals this not to be true. In fact, other patients in similar conditions are currently being cared for at home. Family members are trained to administer the food, turn the patient and attend to the hygiene concerns.

Misunderstanding #7: Nancy showed no indications of being aware of her surroundings.

Fact: Testimony given in court hearings revealed that Nancy was able to hear and see, she smiled at amusing stories, she cried at times when visitors left, she appeared to attempt to form words, and she experienced pain from menstrual cramps. In a PBS documentary on the case, Nancy's father, Joe Cruzan, acknowledged that Nancy was aware of when the nurse opened her can of food.

Misunderstanding #8: No one had accepted the premise that Nancy was alive.

Fact: Joe Cruzan stated in a March 31, 1989 interview, "My daughter died six years ago and the state will not let us have a funeral." The Missouri State Supreme Court, however, refused the request to stop feeding stating, "...This is not a case in which we are asked to let someone die...This is a case in which we are asked to allow the medical profession to make Nancy die by starvation and dehydration."

Misunderstanding #9: The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Nancy should die because her life lacked quality.

Fact: The U.S. Supreme Court did not wrestle with the issues of quality of life or with whether guardians had the right to make the decision to remove nutrition and hydration from the patient. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that if sufficient evidence was found that it was Nancy's wish not to continue living with tube feeding then nutrition and hydration could be withdrawn. The Cruzan family found witnesses who claimed to have personal knowledge that such was Nancy's wish. Even though no written documentation could be found that this was her wish, a lower court granted the request to cease administering nutrition and hydration based on the testimony of the witnesses.

On Friday, December 14, 1990, the order came to cease administering nutrition and hydration (food and water) to Nancy. Death came 12 days later on December 26th. Nancy died at the age of 33.

524 posted on 09/25/2003 8:53:49 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: phenn
I just e-mailed Ms. Malone my "thoughts" on this piece of drivel.

I had to wait a few minutes though, to stop shaking from the anger I felt after reading this.

How can these people be so blind to the truth?
525 posted on 09/25/2003 8:53:58 AM PDT by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: kimmie7
He will appear before Judge Lazzara as an officer of the State of Florida, in his official capacity as that state's Attorney General. It's his elected duty to defend the laws and Constitution of Florida.

526 posted on 09/25/2003 9:07:12 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: MarMema
Very nice summary of truths about Nancy Cruzan's case.
527 posted on 09/25/2003 9:08:41 AM PDT by syriacus (Terri can feel --- and she'd like a meal.)
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To: floriduh voter
See post 526.
528 posted on 09/25/2003 9:09:13 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: syriacus
Thanks and here is why I am leaving.

Washington natural death act

"The definition of "terminal" now would allow insulin, for example, to be removed from the treatment of a diabetic because the diabetic "would die without it." Since any diabetic will die without insulin, he is ipso facto, "terminal," and thus insulin can legally be withheld."

I encourage everyone to find their state prolife site, if you have not yet, and educate yourself, in advance.

529 posted on 09/25/2003 9:13:19 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: iowamomforfreedom
Thank you for taking the time to do that. This is what I had to say to her (with a separate letter to the editor):

"You can certainly call the decision to pull the tube heart-wrenching. But you cannot call it murder."

Well, you actually can if it's against someone's will. Would you not agree?

Saying that people who support Terri have an agenda is actually pretty correct. Our agenda is seeing to it that a disabled, vulnerable, abused and exploited woman is kept from any further harm. You should probably read up on the T-4 Programme of the Third Reich. Many political historians believe that the Euthanasia Programme of T-4 greatly paved the way for the Holocaust to happen. You've heard of the Holocaust, yes?

The T-4 Programme started out with infants and toddlers. Then, it was a little bit easier to justify icing older children and teenagers with disabilities or deformities. Then, it was just a wee bit easier to justify whacking off disabled adults. Then, well I assume you know the rest.

If you think this comparison is over the top, please think again. Do you even want just one case of terminating the life of a disabled person to come to pass? Please keep in mind that Terri is not terminally ill, nor suffering physical pain, nor unaware or unconscious and nor without hope of recovery. 14 medical professionals have testified or given sworn statements that she IS a candidate for therapy. If something catastrophic should happen to you, would you want a judge declaring you a "life not worth living" (that's a quote from Hitler, by the way), or would you prefer to have your loved ones see to it that you had a chance to improve? How about your parents? Your kids? Your friends?

Do you think the medical community no longer has a responsibility to people with profound disabilities? Do you think of people like Terri as "useless eaters" (another quote from the ever-charming Mr. Hitler)?

Ms. Melone, Terri is nothing more than the thin end of the wedge. If society can get comfy with the idea of taking her out because her abilities are less than yours or mine, they can most certainly embrace the idea of taking out all the people who might personally inconvenience them one day. Elderly, mentally retarded, disfigured, homeless, addicted to chemicals, blind, deaf, etc. Say! Perhaps the unsightly would be a good target!

Believe me when I tell you, this is NOT a precedent you want set in your state. Nor in your country. Physicians and blood relatives have a responsibility to an injured or ailing person. That is not to end life. Nor is it to blindly prolong life. It is to IMPROVE life. Get it? IMPROVE life. Please tell me what Mr. Schiavo has done along those lines for Terri. One thing will do.

Ms. Melone, get it together. You have an obligation to your readers to do the homework. Do it. If you think abusing, exploiting, neglecting and ultimately snuffing a defenseless woman is perfectly peachy, you are a DISGRACE to our gender.
530 posted on 09/25/2003 9:34:29 AM PDT by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: phenn
Melone's column today is a perfect example of HATE SPEECH. Stunning that a liberal newspaper would now edit their City & State section for content. They should be held accountable right along with Melone for printing HATE SPEECH in a metropolitan newspaper. My call list is a good place to start. The hate speech angle might just shake their tree.

Further, don't you think we should also email Howard Troxler of the Times so he knows how OUTRAGED we are at the hate speech in his paper?

531 posted on 09/25/2003 9:44:49 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TERRY RALLY SIGN UP contact floriduh voter.. a post is fine)
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To: phenn
Brilliant!!!


I haven't read the despicable article yet. I'm bracing myself for it.

I've come to the conclusion that she must be either woefully ignorant or just plain stupid.

You've done a great job helping her learn,
but none of us can cure stupidity.
532 posted on 09/25/2003 9:45:57 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, Terri Schiavo will live.)
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To: MarMema
It seems to me that since that time, they have come up with their approach. I call it the "empty shell" approach. It's the thing you hear over and over from the right to kill movement, about how the person looks alive but really that is just a shell of a person there. Christine's father used it over and over again in public.

I know the pro-diers ignore all logic. But I wish they could see that, if they choose to see her body as an empty shell, then they should agree she is not suffering while being kept alive.

If they say that she is suffering by being kept alive, then they should agree that she will suffer while being dehydrated

The idea that it would be "merciful" to kill a "not-even-there-patient", is ridiculous. The would be like their saying, "I am going to put this damaged apple out of its misery." A damaged apple has no misery.

In other words, she does not need to be "mercifully" released from her body, if "she" isn't there.

Nancy's family couldn't seem to make up their minds about whether she was already dead when she was in the hospital. One minute they say she "She would have been X years old." Then they correct themselves and say, "She is X years old." (I can see making that kind of mistake but their muddled thinking gets worse)

One time her father said he was glad she was finally released to heaven and another time he said she was already there for quite a while Yet another time he expressed uncertainty about whether there is an afterlife.

The pro-euthanasia folks get away with talking out of both sides of their mouths.

(I know that using logic to fight them is not the answer, but it bugs me that they can be so two-faced)

How can someone say, "The patient has no consciousness," one minute and argue that the patient needs to "die with dignity" the next?

If Terri is not enough of a "person" to deserve to live, then she is not enough of a "person" to deserve the "privacy" her husband is imposing on her.

533 posted on 09/25/2003 9:46:34 AM PDT by syriacus (Terri can feel --- and she'd like a meal.)
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To: syriacus
IMO, Melone got her info on Cruzan from an email to her.
534 posted on 09/25/2003 9:48:17 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TERRY RALLY SIGN UP contact floriduh voter.. a post is fine)
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To: Robert Drobot; kimmie7; pc93; Theodore R.; sfRummygirl
Robert Drobot, you are factually wrong about AG Crist. Why are you here?
535 posted on 09/25/2003 9:51:47 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TERRY RALLY SIGN UP contact floriduh voter.. a post is fine)
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To: floriduh voter
IMO, Melone got her info on Cruzan from an email to her.

Perhaps Felos used his telepathic powers to give Melone some pointers.

536 posted on 09/25/2003 9:55:58 AM PDT by syriacus (Terri can feel --- and she'd like a meal.)
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To: kimmie7; phenn
Federal Law is above AG Crist's pay grade. The issues before Judge Lazzara are regarding Terri's Constitutional Rights under the U.S. Constitution, not state law.

Crist's office is doing radio press releases DAILY that he is not involved in the Schiavo case at this time and is still monitoring it.

That is per the news. Please ping the list in case they were confused by disinformation on this thread. I will continue to give breaking updates from local tv and radio that are ACCURATE.

537 posted on 09/25/2003 9:58:21 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TERRY RALLY SIGN UP contact floriduh voter.. a post is fine)
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To: phenn
Ms. Melone, get it together. You have an obligation to your readers to do the homework. Do it. If you think abusing, exploiting, neglecting and ultimately snuffing a defenseless woman is perfectly peachy, you are a DISGRACE to our gender.

Nice missive to mightily mistaken Ms. Melone about her misrepresentations.

538 posted on 09/25/2003 10:00:13 AM PDT by syriacus (Terri can feel --- and she'd like a meal.)
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To: floriduh voter
Melone's column today is a perfect example of HATE SPEECH.

Good point.

539 posted on 09/25/2003 10:02:14 AM PDT by syriacus (Terri can feel --- and she'd like a meal.)
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To: floriduh voter
Who owns the paper?
540 posted on 09/25/2003 10:02:31 AM PDT by kimmie7 (Terri's story must be told to the masses. Pray with us for this woman and her family.)
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