New artifacts suggest first people arrived in North America earlier than previously thought

Oregon state University ^ | August 29, 2019 | Michelle Klampe

[Openurmind]

CORVALLIS, Ore. – Stone tools and other artifacts unearthed from an archaeological dig at the Cooper’s Ferry site in western Idaho suggest that people lived in the area 16,000 years ago, more than a thousand years earlier than scientists previously thought.

The artifacts would be considered among the earliest evidence of people in North America.

The findings, published today in Science, add weight to the hypothesis that initial human migration to the Americas followed a Pacific coastal route rather than through the opening of an inland ice-free corridor, said Loren Davis, a professor of anthropology at Oregon State University and the study’s lead author.

“The Cooper’s Ferry site is located along the Salmon River, which is a tributary of the larger Columbia River basin. Early peoples moving south along the Pacific coast would have encountered the Columbia River as the first place below the glaciers where they could easily walk and paddle in to North America,” Davis said. “Essentially, the Columbia River corridor was the first off-ramp of a Pacific coast migration route.

“The timing and position of the Cooper’s Ferry site is consistent with and most easily explained as the result of an early Pacific coastal migration.”

Cooper’s Ferry, located at the confluence of Rock Creek and the lower Salmon River, is known by the Nez Perce Tribe as an ancient village site named Nipéhe. Today the site is managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management.

[tinyowl]

... and then somebody took their land ... and somebody took their land and x and y and z and a and b and c for 1000 cycles and then the Sioux took their land and then the western European took their land but the western European is bad and evil and should give it back to the last people who took someone's land.

Because you see only the 999th land taking people is entitled to it permanently, and they are victims, and the 1000th taker, who still has it only because he was the only one to be able to defend it (for now) is a pestilence.

ehhhh, no.

[GingisK]

Tree ring dating is very reliable and is used to calibrate the carbon dating. I’m pretty sure those folks were there 16,000 years ago.

[GingisK]

Bull feathers.

[TexasGator]

“Radiocarbon dating is highly unreliable, and can be off by a high percentage of years.
But most respectable geologist know that. “

Name some ...

[Openurmind]

One wrong is no more righteous than any other wrong.

[Openurmind]

The geological stratigraphy is already known and dated by geologists.

[SunkenCiv]

most of the rest of the PreClovis keyword:

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[deport]

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/a-brief-history-of-everyone-who-ever-lived/537942/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dna-search-first-americans-links-amazon-indigenous-australians-180955976/

[missthethunder]

Can I ask a stupid question?

When they carbon date a tool/spearpoint,

are they carbon dating the rock or when the tool/spearpoint was made?

[SunkenCiv]

Spearpoints and other inorganic material is not RC-dated, can't be -- the organic material in proximity is RC-dated. Hope that helps.

[SunkenCiv]

AFAIK, there are no earlier topics about it. After I said I was so darned tired, I wound up compiling the list of topics of that keyword, and did a search on the name of the primary author. :^)

[tinyowl]

I don't think any of those takings were wrong nor right in their time. Nature taking its course, man is an animal, sometimes he acts individually, sometimes in twos, threes, or herds. In hindsight he always looks like a hypnotized sociopath when he didn't look utterly boring or abject or even enlightened and joyful and causing good. Today man is slightly different and more so knows more things, so he behaves differently. He has not become more right nor more wrong. That's true of every race and every culture and every mix of those that's every been.

[Openurmind]

“and did a search on the name of the primary author.”

Now there is a concept! I will remember that. :)

[missthethunder]

Yes that helps, thank you.

[21twelve]

seeing how far inland that is - amazing.

Although the last “ice-age” floods that tore down the Columbia River (entering from the Spokane area) was 13,000 to 15,000 years ago - so anything farther west was swept clean of any artifacts.

[SunkenCiv]

I usually use this link in a bookmark, then when the results come up, add the actual search string.

http://www.google.com/search?q=+site:freerepublic.com

[dsrtsage]

They were red haired caucasians living peacefully until the indians showed up and killed everybody.

[oldasrocks]

Yes, “Made in china” on the plates. So now china says North America belongs to them and have given us 2 weeks to move out.

[KamperKen]

In Graham Hancock’s latest book, “America Before”, he mentions a mastodon bone that was found in San Diego county that was found planted in a vertical position in the ground as presumably some sort of marker. The bone was dated to around 130,000 years ago. The assumption is a human being put it there during the inter glacial between the last two ice ages.

http://westerndigs.org/mastodon-site-in-san-diego-said-to-be-earliest-sign-of-humans-in-america-riling-skeptics/

Needless to say this is controversial.

[blueunicorn6]

The Indians are Japanese.

So we’ve got little islands of Japanese all over the country.