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Skull Study Suggests at Least Two Groups Colonized America
Sci-Tech Today ^ | December 15, 2005

Posted on 12/15/2005 3:48:14 PM PST by nickcarraway

The 7,500- to 11,000-year-old remains suggest the oldest settlers of the Americas came from different genetic stock than more recent Native Americans. Modern Native Americans share traits with Mongoloid peoples of Mongolia, China, and Siberia, the researchers said. But they found dozens of skulls from Brazil appear much more similar to modern Australians, Melanesians, and Sub-Saharan Africans.

A Brazilian study involving a large collection of South American skulls suggests at least two distinct groups of early humans colonized the Americas. Anthropologists Walter Neves and Mark Hubbe of the University of Sao Paulo studied 81 skulls of early humans and found them to be different from both modern and ancient Native Americans, National Geographic News reported Tuesday.

The 7,500- to 11,000-year-old remains suggest the oldest settlers of the Americas came from different genetic stock than more recent Native Americans.

Modern Native Americans share traits with Mongoloid peoples of Mongolia, China, and Siberia, the researchers said. But they found dozens of skulls from Brazil appear much more similar to modern Australians, Melanesians, and Sub-Saharan Africans.

The study is described in this week's online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; anthropology; australia; brazil; china; crevolist; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; markhubbe; melanesia; mongolia; monteverde; northamerica; olmec; olmecs; preclovis; shang; siberia; subsaharanafrica; tomdillehay; walterneves

1 posted on 12/15/2005 3:48:15 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

ping


2 posted on 12/15/2005 3:48:40 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: nickcarraway

Well, of course. Didn't we all learn back in 4th grade Social Studies that the American Indian originally came from Asia, up through Russia, and across the Bering Strait to Alaska?


3 posted on 12/15/2005 3:53:42 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: nickcarraway

I wonder...

If we found a tribe of these older native Americans, do you think they'd want to build casinos? And if so, would they have a valid prior claim to native american lands?


4 posted on 12/15/2005 3:55:50 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: nickcarraway

I've always said the Indians owe the Chinese reparations.


5 posted on 12/15/2005 3:58:26 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: nickcarraway

Great story, but just a story. They're ignoring evidence that is 15-35KY older.


6 posted on 12/15/2005 4:01:00 PM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: nickcarraway
You don't have to be a scientist to see there is a huge difference between Brazilian rain forest dwellers and Plains Indians of the United States.

They look as different as Chinese and Germans do.

7 posted on 12/15/2005 4:04:14 PM PST by yarddog
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To: nickcarraway

the one with matter in it was repub, the empty one was all the rest


8 posted on 12/15/2005 4:05:35 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: yarddog

Thing of it is in terms of DNA lineage you don't see these possible Austronesian/Melanesian populations in South America currently; those same "different looking" Indians end up having the same Northeast Asian bloodlines.

It seems those populations (which could have lasted longest as some obscure tribes in Baja California, or the Tierra del Fuegans) are basically gone now.


9 posted on 12/15/2005 4:07:18 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Remember the Olmec stone heads.


10 posted on 12/15/2005 4:08:52 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: xcamel
"Great story, but just a story. They're ignoring evidence that is 15-35KY older."

Will you expand on what you're talking about?

11 posted on 12/15/2005 4:24:34 PM PST by blam
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To: Strategerist
"Thing of it is in terms of DNA lineage you don't see these possible Austronesian/Melanesian populations in South America currently; those same "different looking" Indians end up having the same Northeast Asian bloodlines."

'First Americans Were Australian'

"It seems those populations (which could have lasted longest as some obscure tribes in Baja California, or the Tierra del Fuegans) are basically gone now."

When Humboldt(sp) made his exploratory trips around the Tierra del Fuego area, he described two different peoples. One was short and stocky and made their living from the sea, the other was tall and slim, wore animal skins and made their living off the land. Two different peoples.

12 posted on 12/15/2005 4:32:06 PM PST by blam
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To: squarebarb
"Remember the Olmec stone heads."

The Olmec And The Shang

13 posted on 12/15/2005 4:41:19 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Just the simple fact that there have been "first peoples" on the north american continent for nearly 35-40 thousand years. More and more evidence piles up every day that the "conventional wisdom" is willful disregard of much more than anecdotal evidence that the "first ones" got here from europe - not asia - between the last two glaciation events, and came back to reestablish themselves at the end on the last glacial period.

By modern standards, NA north of latitude 40 would have only been uninhabitable between 15 and 27 KYa. Add to this recent evidence of "man" in Great Britan 700,000 years ago, compressing the habitation of north america to the last 20K years makes no sense at all.

14 posted on 12/15/2005 5:20:55 PM PST by xcamel (a system poltergeist stole it.)
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To: xcamel
"Just the simple fact that there have been "first peoples" on the north american continent for nearly 35-40 thousand years. "

Yup.

And, if the statement (in one of his books) made by Professor Stephen Oppenheimer that the oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10,000 years old, who the heck are all these people (skeletons) found in the Americas that are older than 10k years? (They're not Mongoloid/Native Americans.)

15 posted on 12/15/2005 5:41:46 PM PST by blam
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To: nickcarraway

I'm not sure but I think this means that the "Native Americans" may soon have to pay reparations to the "African Americans"?


16 posted on 12/15/2005 8:09:32 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: nickcarraway
11,000 years is more than enough time for isolated groups of people from the same genetic stock to develop distinctly different physical traits.
17 posted on 12/15/2005 8:32:16 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: nickcarraway

Thanks Nick.

Study Sheds Light On Early Migration (Americas)
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution | 12-13-2005 | Mike Toner
Posted on 12/13/2005 10:47:40 AM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1539670/posts


18 posted on 12/15/2005 10:29:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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19 posted on 12/15/2005 10:29:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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