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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood


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To: DelaWhere

“Welcome to the thread... We have at least one other in the process of making the big move... (Heading for his ‘Gulch’)”

Thank-you. I appreciate the warm welcome. (proof I was right about this thread :) Yes, after 35 years “up North”, we’re heading for the family farm in my beloved hills and the kind of “community” described in the “Alabama” song, “Down Home”. :)

“Several are looking for places and others are able to hunker in place.”

Good luck to those looking and congratulations to those that are already there. :)

“Don’t hesitate to add in - or throw out questions - You will find Granny has a real hospitable place...”

Will do as time permits. I’m looking forward to “learning” because although I was “born country” and we’ve been living a rural life for nearly 30 years, we’re stil learning. :)

“Again, glad you found us. (Oh, did you notice - This is thread # 2 first 10,000 posts address is at the beginning of this one. :^)”

17 odd thousand posts? Yep, that ought to keep me busy for awhile. :)


7,781 posted on 05/17/2009 3:35:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Ranger (lamenting the death of "common sense")
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To: nw_arizona_granny

OH YUM!!!


7,782 posted on 05/17/2009 4:19:04 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Can you recommend a hand mill? I have seen several but don’t know which one to get.


7,783 posted on 05/17/2009 4:21:14 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: diamond6

I’m also interested in getting a hand mill, so will be anxious to hear what responses you get back.


7,784 posted on 05/17/2009 4:37:35 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady
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To: Squantos

I’ll pass it to them! Thanks buddy. :-)


7,785 posted on 05/17/2009 5:19:37 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; All

Thanks for the ping at #7765, granny. Sorry to hear about your sis.

Thanks to all posters (7701-7765) placemark BUMP!


7,786 posted on 05/17/2009 6:07:28 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: diamond6; Wisconsinlady

>>Can you recommend a hand mill?<<

Hmmm, can you give us a bit more info on what uses you have in mind?

Cake flour, corn meal, nuts, herbs?

There are two basic types of hand grinders - stone and burr. The stones give you a finer grind, but are harder to turn. The burrs are easier to turn, but generally give you a coarser grind.

The quantity you will be using will also determine which mill would be better.

There is a wealth of information available at Walton Feed.

http://waltonfeed.com/old/self/grinder.html

(LOL they got me pegged - Old-self... :^)

JDoutrider (a thread participant) should be giving us a first hand on the one he just got. I have a Corona burr mill which is great for corn meal and cracked wheat bread (if I grind it twice) and I do a lot of my whole wheat flour, rye flour, bean flour and rice flour in a blender - which works pretty good unless you want cake flour.


7,787 posted on 05/17/2009 6:07:36 PM PDT by DelaWhere ("Without power over our own food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; All

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I am on a campaign to get neighbors to mount lighted flags to fly 24/7 till the USA can get it’s act back together...

Well, I picked up some 3 LED Solar Spotlights at Wally World for $10 a pair. With a power outage the other night, (from a car hitting a pole) I was going to get out the kerosene lanterns, when I had an idea.... Solar lights! I went out in the yard and brought a pair of them in, shined them off the light ceiling, and they did excellently! Lasted all night - put them back out the next day and they recharged fully. If TSHTF, these could be very handy and do not require any fuel or batteries. Oh, and I picked up one and used it as a flashlight going out to check on the chickens - works great! So now I will consider that I have 10 solar powered flashlights for general use whenever I need them, and yard effects until I do.


7,788 posted on 05/17/2009 7:07:25 PM PDT by DelaWhere ("Without power over our own food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe)
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To: Mrs. Ranger

>>>we’ve been living a rural life for nearly 30 years, we’re stil learning. :)<<<

LOL - The smart people are ALWAYS learning something!

Three generations plus 2 have lived on this land, and you get to know it pretty well, but still learn something every day. Also try a little something different every chance I get to see how it works... Some work - some are big flops... LOL

Some of mine - like my strawberry towers (pictures posted earlier) worked well (except for our danged goat), and others like using my hybrid poplars as live poles for my pole limas was a flop.

But, I keep trying things... (keeps one young)


7,789 posted on 05/17/2009 7:23:59 PM PDT by DelaWhere ("Without power over our own food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

I”m sorry to hear about your sister.


7,790 posted on 05/17/2009 9:00:25 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: DelaWhere

I want to store whole grains for long term storage, so it would be a mill for hard red winter or hard white.


7,791 posted on 05/17/2009 9:32:41 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: Mrs. Ranger

I have the first 9000 posts of thread #1 in two word files. Now that you guys have found us (or we have found you, LOL), I think I will upload them to YouSendIt and Appleseed can ping his list to the YouSendIt link.

I’m so glad to see you all!!


7,792 posted on 05/17/2009 9:42:13 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: CPT Clay

Welcome to the thread Clay, we can always use more information or questions. Granny is a great researcher and finds tons of great stuff. I’m glad you found the thread and hope you get a lot from it. At the start of the thread, there’s a link to thread #1 (10,000 posts on that one!).

Have fun!


7,793 posted on 05/17/2009 9:47:18 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

http://www.naturalnews.com/z024569.html

FDA and the Delusions of Tyrants (comic)
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
Originally published October 21 2008

(NaturalNews) NaturalNews has learned the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is running a criminal extortion racket designed to drain cash from health supplement companies and shift it into the pockets of top FDA contractors. This organized crime operation has been running for years, and it has operated with impunity because each company targeted by the scam feels isolated and alone, unable to face the astronomical legal bills of going to court and battling the FDA. So one by one, they agree to “settle” with the FDA for crimes they never committed. Part of the settlement, of course, involves the payment of FDA employees or contractors who pocket the money extorted from health companies.

NaturalNews has interviewed executives from three different companies who have been targeted for extortion by U.S. Food and Drug Administration employees. At their request, the names of those companies are being kept confidential until legal action being taken against them is resolved. Interviews have been recorded, with permission, with two of those companies and will be released to the public at a later date. Documents proving this FDA extortion racket are included here.

How the FDA extorts money from nutritional supplement companies
The FDA extortion racket works like this: FDA employees use keyword-scanning software to scan the web pages of natural health product and supplement companies, searching for terms like cancer, cures, treatment, remedies and other “forbidden” words. FDA employees then review the discovered pages to determine if they contain any words that might inform consumers of the health benefits of the nutritional products. FDA employees also look for links that might point web users to scientific articles from peer-reviewed medical journals that further explain the health benefits of specific foods, supplements or nutrients.

When offending words or links are found by the FDA, their extortion team goes into full swing. First, they contact the company and warn them to remove all information and links from their websites. This is the most important step from the FDA’s standpoint, because by doing this, they can keep the health-conscious public in a state of nutritional ignorance about the scientifically-supported healing properties of natural supplements. Cherry products, for example, cannot link to scientific articles explaining the simple biological fact that cherries ease inflammation in human beings. Such links are considered “drug claims” by the FDA.

NaturalNews has even learned that companies are now being targeted for simply posting customer testimonials, even when those testimonials make absolutely no health claims. FDA and FTC agents are now threatening the owners of such companies with imprisonment if they do not immediately remove all customer testimonials from their websites and marketing materials.

If the company being targeted for extortion refuses to fully comply with the FDA’s requests to remove all educational information from their website, the FDA then escalates the extortion tactics by threatening the company principals with arrest and seizure unless they agree to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to top FDA contractors and sign a “consent decree” where the company “admits” to committing various crimes (see below). This consent decree is a blatant violation of the Constitutional rights of U.S. citizens, of course, and it violates numerous sections of the Bill of Rights (Amendments #1 and #5, at the very least).

The FDA employees or contractors receiving the extorted money, it is claimed, are being paid to “review web pages” to make sure they don’t contain anything that might inform consumers about the scientifically-validated benefits of the health products being sold. FDA extortion agreements specify that FDA employees should be paid the rate of $100 per hour, with no limit on the number of hours they may bill the company for. The extortion agreement also requires companies to pay for all the following:

• $100 per hour for the travel time of FDA employees.
• Hotel rooms for FDA employees.
• Storage fees for all products seized by the FDA.

The same agreement also requires the company to comply with FDA demands by never placing any links or “illegal” information on its website, where “illegal” means anything that offers an accurate description of the health benefits offered by natural health products.

The Consent Decree
Part of the FDA’s strategy for oppression and control is to force targeted companies to sign a “consent decree” where they admit to crimes they never committed. NaturalNews obtained a copy of a public court document the FruitFast company was forced to sign due to FDA threats and extortion tactics.

You can view this document yourself at: http://www.naturalnews.com/investigations/FruitFastConsentDecree.pdf

This document requires the FruitFast company to admit to crimes it did not commit; namely:

“Violating the Act, by introducing or delivering for introduction, or causing to be introduced or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce articles of drug that are misbranded within the meaning of 21 U.S.C. SS 352(f)(1).”

What “drugs” did the FruitFast company introduce that were “misbranded?” Cherries, it turns out. Cherry juice concentrate was being sold with the accurate statement that it helped eliminate gout (which it does). This, according to the FDA, was enough to magically transform cherry juice into an “unapproved drug” and cause it to be “misbranded.”

It also requires targeted companies to contractually agree that they have:

“...removed all claims from Defendants’ product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, and in any other media that cause that product to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act; and

(ii) removed, from their product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and websites owned or controlled by Defendants, references to or endorsements of any other website that conveys information about Defendants’ products that cause those products to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act.”

This means, of course, that these companies can no longer even LINK to other websites, including websites of scientific journals that discuss the proven health benefits of such natural products (foods, herbs, etc.)

The truth is now subject to FDA approval
Once a company removes all educational information and links from their website, they are then required to submit to draconian measures of “censorship enforcement” by the FDA. This is fully explained in this section of the FDA’s Consent Decree: (bolding added for emphasis)

Within ten (10) calendar days of FDA’s request for any labels, labeling, promotional materials, and/or downloaded copies (on CD-Rom) of any internet websites owned or controlled by Defendants or websites referenced by, endorsed, or adopted directly or indirectly by Defendants, Defendants shall submit a copy of the requested materials to FDA at the address specified in paragraph 19.

Within twenty (20) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall submit to FDA a certification of compliance, signed by each of the individually-named Defendants in this matter, each Defendant stating that he: (a) has personally reviewed all of Defendants’ product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and the internet websites referred to in paragraph 8 above; and (b) personally certifies that the product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and internet websites strictly comply with the requirements of the Act and its regulations and do not include unapproved or unauthorized claims that the products cure, mitigate, treat, prevent and/or reduce the risk of disease. Thereafter, Defendants shall submit certifications of compliance every three (3) months for a period of two (2) years.

Furthermore, the FDA then requires that the company being targeted by the extortion racket hire a person (called the “expert”) to enforce all this censorship the company has agreed to.

As you’ll note in the language below, this “expert” must be paid $100 an hour, for an unlimited number of hours, to conduct surprise inspections of the company’s administrative offices, warehouses and fulfillment centers:

Within fourteen (14) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall retain an independent person or persons (the “expert”)... who by reason of background, experience, education, and training is qualified to assess Defendants’ compliance with the Act, to review the claims Defendants make for all of their products on their product labels, labeling, promotional material, any internet websites owned or controlled by Defendants, including, but not limited to, the websites referred to in paragraph 8 above. At the conclusion of the expert’s review, the expert shall prepare a written report analyzing whether Defendants are operating in compliance with the Act and in particular, certify whether Defendants have omitted all claims from their product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, and in any other media, that make any of their products drugs and/or constitute unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act. The expert shall also review Defendants’ product labels, labeling, promotional materials, and websites owned or controlled by Defendants to determine whether these include any references to or endorsements of any other websites that convey information about Defendants’ products that cause those products to be a drug and/or contain unapproved or unauthorized health claims within the meaning of the Act, and certify in the written report whether Defendants have omitted any such references or endorsements. The expert shall submit this report to FDA and Defendants within thirty-five (35) calendar days of the entry of this Decree. If the expert reports any violations of the Act, Defendants shall, within seven (7) calendar days of receipt of the report, correct those deviations, unless FDA notifies Defendants that a shorter time period is necessary.

In other words, this section requires the company being targeted to pay the “Expert” huge fees to make sure it doesn’t “illegally” link to other websites that might tell the truth about the health products in question.

FDA tyranny unleashed
So what happens if the company slips up and does something illegal like, let’s say, posting a clickable link to a science journal that discusses research citing the health benefits of cherries? As you’ll see below, there are no limits to the action the FDA can take in retribution, including the seizure of all company assets and the arrest of its principals.

Specifically, the Consent Decree forces company owners to agree to the following:

If, at any time after this Decree has been entered, FDA determines, based on the results of an inspection, the analyses of Defendants’ product labels, labeling, promotional materials, websites owned or controlled by Defendants, or websites referenced by, endorsed, or adopted directly or indirectly by Defendants that convey information about Defendants’ products, a report prepared by Defendants’ expert, or any other information, that additional corrective actions are necessary to achieve compliance with the Act, applicable regulations, or this Decree, FDA may, as and when it deems necessary, direct Defendants, in writing, to take one or more of the actions:

A. Cease manufacturing, processing, packing, labeling, holding, and/or distributing any article(s);

B. Submit additional reports or information to FDA;

C. Recall any article(s) at Defendants’ expense; or

D. Take any other reasonable corrective action(s) as FDA, in its discretion, deems necessary to bring Defendants and their products into compliance with the Act, applicable regulations, and this Decree.

Surprise inspections, secret police and non-stop persecution
Just to keep the targeted company in a state of constant fear (which is why I have labeled the FDA a terrorist organization), the FDA forces it to agree to surprise inspections where it must pay FDA “compliance officers” to rummage through their product shelves and paperwork, looking for evidence of non-compliance:

Duly authorized representatives of FDA shall be permitted, without prior notice and as and when FDA deems necessary, to make [surprise] inspections of Defendants’ facilities and, without prior notice, take any other measures necessary to monitor and ensure continuing compliance with the terms of this Decree. During such inspections, FDA representatives shall be permitted prompt access to buildings, equipment, in-process and finished materials, containers, labeling and other materials therein; to take photographs and make video recordings; to take samples of Defendants’ finished and unfinished materials and products, containers, labels, labeling, and other promotional materials; and to examine and copy all records relating to the receipt, manufacture, processing, packing, labeling, promoting, holding, and distribution of any and all Defendants’ products in order to ensure continuing compliance with the terms of this Decree. The inspections shall be permitted upon presentation of a copy of this Decree and appropriate credentials. The inspection authority granted by this Decree is separate from, and in addition to, the authority to conduct inspections under the Act, 21 U.S.C. §374.

And just to make sure the company is further driven into bankruptcy, the FDA requires them to PAY for all these surprise “compliance” investigations! As stated in the Consent Decree:

Defendants shall reimburse FDA for the costs of all FDA inspections, investigations, supervision, reviews, examinations, and analyses specified in this Decree or that FDA deems necessary to evaluate Defendants’ compliance with this Decree. The costs of such inspections shall be borne by Defendants at the prevailing rates in effect at the time the costs are incurred. As of the date that this Decree is signed by the parties, these rates are: $78.09 per hour and fraction thereof per representative for inspection work; $93.61 per hour or fraction thereof per representative for analytical or review work; $0.485 per mile for travel expenses by automobile; government rate or the equivalent for travel by air or other means; and the published government per diem rate or the equivalent for the areas in which the inspections are performed per-day, per-representative for subsistence expenses, where necessary. In the event that the standard rates applicable to FDA supervision of court-ordered compliance are modified, these rates shall be increased or decreased without further order of the Court.”

Are you getting the picture here? The FDA can simply show up on a “surprise” inspection, bring ten FDA agents, bill the company for thousands of hours, and bankrupt the company while padding its own pockets.

Doesn’t this sound a lot like the King’s Consent Decree against the American colonies? The FDA’s agreement reads amazingly like a document a King might force his subjects to sign as he’s taking over their land and gold, imprisoning them in his kingdom.

But it gets better: The FDA also requires the Defendants to reveal all sorts of details about their business operations:

“Within ten (10) calendar days of entry of this Decree, Defendants shall provide FDA a list of all domain names and IP addresses they use to market or describe any product, regardless of whether such sites mention specific products Defendants sell.

Defendants shall notify the District Director, FDA Detroit District Office, in writing at least fifteen (15) calendar days before any change in ownership, character, or name of its business.

If Defendants fail to comply with any of the provisions of this Decree, including any time frame imposed by this Decree, then, on motion of the United States in this proceeding, Defendants Brownwood Acres and/or Cherry Capital shall pay to the United States of America the sum of one thousand dollars ($1,000) in liquidated damages per violation per day so long as such violation continues.

Should the United States bring, and prevail in, a contempt action to enforce the terms of this Decree, Defendants shall, in addition to other remedies, reimburse the United States for its attorneys* fees, investigational expenses, expert witness fees, travel expenses incurred by attorneys and witnesses, and administrative court costs relating to such contempt proceedings.

And finally, just to make sure everybody knows who’s in charge, here’s what the agreement says about final judgment:

All decisions specified in this Decree shall be vested in the discretion of FDA and shall be final.

In other words, the FDA is the King. It is above the law. It answers to no one but itself.

Welcome to the United States of Tyranny, FDA style.

The full text of the FDA’s agreement, including the names of the top FDA criminals who signed it, is included at the end of this article.

This brand of tyranny is reserved for health supplement companies
While the FDA gives drug companies a free pass of easy approval for dangerous drugs, this Consent Decree is the kind of treatment it slams down upon health product companies. As you can see from the text in the decree, above, this is a document of outright tyranny and oppression.

Any company signing this document gives the FDA all the tools it needs to drive that company completely out of business. Sadly, dozens of companies have signed this in just the last year. The FDA’s reign of terror is working. It’s putting health companies out of business and forcing them to censor themselves. It even forces them to remove all web links to information sources like NaturalNews.com or peer-reviewed science journals.

This is all part of the FDA’s campaign of health illiteracy — a war of disinformation being waged against the American people. It is a secret war being fought out of the view of the mainstream media (which refuses to report this story) and far from the scrutiny of the U.S. Dept. of Justice (which doesn’t care about the real tyrants running loose in this country).

As I have often stated here on NaturalNews.com, the FDA is an out-of-control, rogue agency engaged in acts of terrorism against the American people. By itself, it is negligent in the deaths of tens of millions of Americans, and it has taken it upon itself to increase the body count by making sure consumers have zero access to honest, truthful, scientifically-validated information about the healing properties of health supplements.

The FDA, by any account, is a much greater threat to the security and safety of the American people than any terrorist group, and if the U.S. really wanted to fight terror and tyranny, it would start by arresting top FDA officials at gunpoint. Those targeted for arrest and prosecution should also include the lawyers and paper pushers involved in this very agreement (see their names on the legal documents at the end of this article).

In my view, these people are the real criminals at work here. They are the masterminds of this campaign of extortion and terror being leveled against health companies by the rogue U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Much like Hitler’s top generals, they play an important role in the mass disinformation that’s resulting in the needless death of millions of people. By any account, they are all guilty of crimes against humanity and should be arrested and prosecuted as such. We should all be so fortunate to live to the day where we can see these white-collar criminals behind bars, perhaps sharing their jail cells with other war criminals from the Bush Administration.

Sign this or you’ll be arrested
What you haven’t yet seen in all this is the barrage of threats leveled against companies if they don’t sign this Consent Decree! Company executives receive both written and verbal threats from top FDA “enforcement officers” who claim they will “throw you in prison” if you don’t sign the agreement.

Every major health trade show hosts an FDA compliance officer (much like a Nazi Gestapo officer) whose job it is to walk the show floor and threaten companies into compliance. This includes shows like Expo West and Expo East, where show organizers also serve as de facto FDA agents themselves, barring the participation of exhibitors who dare to tell the truth about their natural products. This smacks of KGB secret police operations in the former Soviet Union. But secret FDA police are now a reality in the United States of America.

NaturalNews has learned of numerous verbal threats from FDA compliance officers directed at health supplement companies during trade shows, including threats to “put you out of business,” “throw you in prison” or “take every last dollar you’ve ever earned.”

FDA compliance officers are the foot soldiers of the agency’s war against the truth. They seek out any health claim that might inform consumers about the properties of nutritional supplements, then they work to squash such statements before they become too well known. In essence, they are censorship officers who enforce nutritional illiteracy and prevent knowledge from being shared.

As such, they are acting not merely as secret police on a mission to destroy small American businesses; they are actually agents of disinformation, bent on destroying knowledge and enforcing a system of mandatory ignorance. This is entirely consistent with the FDA’s history of ordering the destruction of recipe books that promoted the use of the natural herb stevia, among many other examples of information suppression.

The FDA’s campaign of health illiteracy and enforced ignorance
It is the FDA’s position that there is no such thing as any food, beverage, supplement or herb that has any health benefit whatsoever. Merely making such a claim instantly qualifies your product as a “new and unapproved drug,” according to the FDA.

Officially, the FDA claims all health products are inert and have no properties other than their macronutrients (fiber, carbohydrates, protein, etc.).

There is only one class of substances that have any biological effect on the human body, the FDA claims: Pharmaceuticals. Only those patented, synthetic chemicals are allowed to be described as having benefits to human health.

This convenient position is entirely consistent with the protection of the profits of drug companies. It’s no coincidence that the drug companies fund the FDA through “user fees,” and most FDA employees are dependent on drug company money... except, of course, those FDA people earning their living by extorting millions of dollars from health product companies.

The upshot of the FDA’s campaign against health supplements is that most of the American people remain nutritionally illiterate, oblivious to the scientifically-validated health benefits offered by tens of thousands of different nutrients, plants, supplements and products. To say that zinc speeds healing, or that vitamin D prevents cancer, or that resveratrol lowers high cholesterol is common sense in the scientific community, but it’s a crime in the eyes of the FDA.

It’s time to stop the FDA’s reign of terror over health supplements
It is time to end the FDA’s extortion racket, restore Free Speech rights to health supplements, and bring the organized crime kingpins at the FDA to justice.

NaturalNews is organizing a list of companies who wish to help fund legal action against the FDA. We intend to take part in a lawsuit against the FDA that would reign in the FDA’s control over nutritional supplements and defend health freedoms for American consumers.

To do this, we need to gather information from those companies who are willing to help fund this legal action, which may cost several hundred thousand dollars. If you represent a company willing to take part in this legal action against the FDA, contact us now at StopTheFDA@naturalnews.com

Simply email us your name and contact phone number. We’ll contact you to continue the conversation. Any information sent to us is kept strictly confidential. We will refuse to turn over such information even with a court order.

With enough support from the natural products community, we will take part in the reporting and grassroots organization of this legal action.

We must stop the FDA now
It is the belief of NaturalNews that the FDA is being run as a system of organized crime, using the exact same extortion tactics as the Mob. Through intimidation, censorship and threats of imprisonment, the FDA is right now extorting tens of millions of dollars from the very same health supplement companies you depend on to bring you lifesaving, disease-reversing products.

Even worse, the FDA is getting away with it. Backed by the threat of imprisonment and the ability to conduct armed raids against health product companies (see the history of armed FDA raids against vitamin companies here: http://www.naturalnews.com/021791.html ), the FDA is able to overpower health product companies when they stand alone.

The industry must band together if it hopes to defend itself against this tyranny. A lone villager cannot defend himself against a band of marauders, but an organized and well-defended band of villagers can fight off attackers many times their size. If it wishes to survive, the natural products industry must band together and defend itself against the FDA. It must take back its right to tell the truth about health supplements, and it must forever banish censorship and ignorance from the health products marketplace.

The FDA will not stop its reign of terror, you see, until every health supplement companies is silenced, every company founder is imprisoned and every consumer is enslaved in a state of outright nutritional illiteracy. They will seize products and let them rot in warehouses; they’ll recruit armed law enforcement personnel to conduct SWAT-style raids on vitamin shops; they’ll extort millions of dollars from health companies and pocket the profits; and they’ll do it all while burning taxpayer dollars and claiming they’re working to “protect” consumers from natural health products like cherry juice concentrate, which is of course so incredibly dangerous that we need an entire government agency just to make sure we don’t find out it might ease arthritis inflammation.

What you can do right now to help halt the FDA’s reign of terror
As a consumer, you can use your voice to help stop the FDA from destroying the natural products marketplace. Simply go to www.ReformFDA.org and sign the petition there.

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Sign that petition and spread the word: NaturalNews and the AAHF are working together to bring back honesty, freedom and free speech to the health supplements industry, and we need your help to get it done.

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Notably, Rep. Ron Paul has sponsored the Health Freedom Protection Act, which you can read here: http://www.StopFDACensorship.org

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It’s time to shed light on the real actions of the FDA. We can no longer sit back and allow this criminal organization to operate in secret. But grabbing the public’s attention all comes down to getting this on video. This is the YouTube era. If it’s not on video, it doesn’t exist. But if it’s on video, we can likely get it on mainstream news. (I can see it now: the FDA raids a warehouse and handcuffs the screaming, crying business owner. And why? Because their bottle said, “Eases inflammation.” The public won’t stand for it.)

The FDA, of course, will have its own people doing the same thing to people like me. They’re trying to catch us eating at McDonald’s or going through the local pharmacy drive-thru. All I can say about that is they’ll be waiting a long, long time to see that day!

Please forward this story to everyone you know. We the People must either prevail in this fight for our freedom, or we will all end up illiterate, imprisoned or silenced. The FDA will take away your rights, your speech and your health, and it will laugh all the way to the bank while it steals your hard-earned money. It will break every law, ignore every court order and commit every crime necessary to bring health companies into line... UNLESS we fight back and do our part to end this grave threat to our health, safety and freedoms.

The FDA is the enemy of the People. It is a criminal organization bent on destroying American freedoms and consumer health. It operates with impunity, using its own secret compliance officers, wreaking death and destruction across our nation like a dark plague unleashed. If we hope to ever regain our health, our freedoms and the basic human right to tell the truth about the healing properties of simple foods, then we must bring this agency to justice and prosecute its mob bosses for their many crimes against the People.

It is time to stand up for your health freedoms, or lose them forever. Please join me in this courageous stand against tyranny and oppression.

- Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, editor of NaturalNews.com


7,794 posted on 05/17/2009 9:58:26 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Squantos; nw_arizona_granny; DelaWhere; upcountry miss; JDoutrider; CottonBall

Hi Squantos, welcome aboard if you haven’t been here before. I hope you find useful information and if you don’t see what you need, ask and Granny will likely be able to find it. We have a number of great posters here - delawhere, Granny, upcountrymiss, jdoutrider, cottonball, and many others (forgive me if I missed you!). It’s a great place to hang out.


7,795 posted on 05/17/2009 10:01:23 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: appleseed

Hi Appleseed, glad to see you and thanks for pinging your list. I will upload the first survival thread Word files soon and ping you when the link is set up. Glad to see you all here!


7,796 posted on 05/17/2009 10:03:10 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: All

INFLUENZA A (H1N1) - WORLDWIDE (33): CASE COUNTS
***********************************************
A ProMED-mail post
http://www.promedmail.org
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases
http://www.isid.org

[Please note that there may be discrepancies between the various
sources of information due to different times of “closure” of daily
figures reported. Times of daily report closures where known are
listed in the table of contents below. Oftentimes, a newswire will
mention a confirmed case in a location that has not been on the
official reporting entity list as the confirmation arrived after
closure of the day’s report. - Mod.MPP]

In this update:
[1] WHO - global updates (06:00 GMT)
[2] PAHO - Americas regional update (17:00 GMT-4)
[3] News brief

******
[1] WHO - global updates (06:00 GMT)
Date: 17 May 2009
Source: WHO Epidemic and Pandemic Alert and Response (EPR) [edited]
http://www.who.int/csr/en/

Influenza A(H1N1) - update 31 — 17 May 2009
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_05_17/en/index.html

As of 06:00 GMT, 17 May 2009, 39 countries have officially reported
8480 cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection.

Mexico has reported 2895 laboratory confirmed human cases of
infection, including 66 deaths. The United States has reported 4714
laboratory confirmed human cases, including 4 deaths. Canada has
reported 496 laboratory confirmed human cases, including one death.
Costa Rica has reported 9 laboratory confirmed human cases, including
one death.

The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with
no deaths: Argentina (1), Australia (1), Austria (1), Belgium (4),
Brazil (8), China (5), Colombia (11), Cuba (3), Denmark (1), Ecuador
(1), El Salvador (4), Finland (2), France (14), Germany (14),
Guatemala (3), India (1), Ireland (1), Israel (7), Italy (9), Japan
(7), Malaysia (2), Netherlands (3), New Zealand (9), Norway (2),
Panama (54), Peru (1), Poland (1), Portugal (1), Republic of Korea
(3), Spain (103), Sweden (3), Switzerland (1), Thailand (2), Turkey
(1), and the United Kingdom (82).

Summary table of cases reported to WHO 30 Apr - 17 May 2009


Country: No. cases (deaths) Apr 30 / May 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 /
8 / 9 / 10 / 11 / 12 / 13 / 14 / 15 / 16 / 17
Argentina: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1
/ 1 / 1 / 1
Australia: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1
/ 1 / 1 / 1
Austria: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1
Belgium: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 2 / 4
Brazil: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 4 / 6 / 6 / 8 / 8 / 8 / 8 / 8 / 8 / 8
Canada: 19 / 34 / 51 / 85 / 101 / 140 / 165 / 201 / 214 / 242(1) /
280(1) / 284(1) / 330(1) / 358(1) / 389(1) / 449(1) / 496(1) / 496(1)
China, Hong Kong SAR, mainland: 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1
/ 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 4 / 4 / 5
Colombia: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 3 / 3 / 6 / 7 /
10 / 11 / 11
Costa Rica: 0 / 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 8(1) / 8(1) /
8(1) / 8(1) / 8(1) / 8(1) / 9(1) / 9(1)
Cuba: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 1 / 3 / 3 / 3
Denmark: 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1
Ecuador: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 1
El Salvador: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 4 / 4 / 4 /
4 / 4 / 4 / 4
Finland: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2
France: 0 / 0 / 2 / 2 / 4 / 4 / 5 / 5 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 13 / 13 / 13 /
14 / 14 / 14 / 14
Germany: 3 / 4 / 6 / 8 / 8 / 9 / 9 / 10 / 11 / 11 / 11 / 11 / 12 / 12
/ 12 / 12 / 14 / 14
Guatemala: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 3 / 3
/ 3 / 3 / 3
India: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1
Ireland: 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1
Israel: 2 / 2 / 3 / 3 / 4 / 4 / 4 / 6 / 7 / 7 / 7 / 7 / 7 / 7 / 7 / 7 / 7 / 7
Italy: 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 2 / 5 / 5 / 5 / 6 / 6 / 9 / 9 / 9 / 9 / 9 / 9 / 9 / 9
Japan: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 3 / 4 / 4 / 4 / 4 / 4 / 4 / 4 / 7
Malaysia: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 2
Mexico: 97(7) / 156(9) / 397(16) / 506(19) / 590(25) / 822(29) /
942(29) / 1112(42) / 1204(44) / 1364(45) / 1626(45) / 1626(48) /
2059(56) / 2059(56) / 2446(60) / 2446(60) / 2895 (66) / 2895(66)
Netherlands: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 2 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 /
3 / 3 / 3 / 3
New Zealand: 3 / 4 / 4 / 4 / 6 / 6 / 5 / 5 / 5 / 5 / 7 / 7 / 7 / 7 /
7 / 7 / 9 / 9
Norway: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2
Panama: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 2 / 3 / 15 / 16 / 29 / 29
/ 40 / 43 / 54
Peru: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 1
Poland: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1
Portugal: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1
Republic of Korea: 0 / 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3
/ 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3
Spain: 13 / 13 / 13 / 40 / 54 / 57 / 73 / 81 / 88 / 88 / 93 / 95 / 95
/ 98 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 103
Sweden: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 3
Switzerland: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 /
1 / 1 / 1 / 1
Thailand: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2
Turkey: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 1
United Kingdom: 8 / 8 / 15 / 15 / 18 / 27 / 28 / 32 / 34 / 85 / 39 /
47 / 55 / 68 / 71 / 71 / 78 / 82
United States: 109(1) / 141(1) / 160(1) / 226(1) / 286(1) / 403(1) /
642(2) / 896(2) / 896(2) / 1639(2) / 2254(2) / 2532(3) / 2600(3) /
3009(3) / 3352(3) / 4298(3) / 4714(4) / 4714(4)

Total No. countries reporting cases: 11 / 13 / 16 / 18 / 21 / 21 / 23
/ 24 / 25 / 29 / 29 / 30 / 30 / 33 / 33 / 34 / 36 / 39
Total cases reported: 257(8) / 367(10) / 658(17) / 898(20) / 1085(26)
/ 1490(30) / 1893(31) / 2371(44) / 2500(46) / 2440(48) / 4379(49) /
4694(53) / 5251(61) / 5728(61) / 6497(65) / 7520(65) / 8451(72) / 8480(72)


Communicated by:
ProMED-mail Rapporteur Marianne Hopp

******
[2] PAHO - Americas regional update (17:00 GMT-4)
Date: 17 May 2009
Source: PAHO H1N1 flu website [edited]
http://new.paho.org/hq/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1377&Itemid=1167

Up to 17 May 2009, 8409 confirmed cases of the new virus influenza A
(H1N1) infection, including 74 deaths, have been notified in 14
countries of the Americas: Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile,
Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico,
Panama, Peru and the United States.

The date of the onset of symptoms of the 1st confirmed case was [28
Mar 2009] in the United States.

WHO is not recommending travel restrictions related to the outbreak
of the influenza A(H1N1) virus. Individuals who are ill should delay
travel plans, and returning travelers who fall ill should seek
appropriate medical care.

These recommendations are prudent measures which can limit the spread
of many communicable diseases, including influenza.

Until 23 h GMT; 18 h EST of 17 May 2009, the number of countries
around the world with confirmed cases of influenza A (H1N1) increased
to 40. In the Americas Region, Chile notified its 1st confirmed case,
a 32-year-old female patient that arrived from Punta Cana, Dominican
Republic at 3:40 AM after switching airplanes in Panama. The patient
is receiving the required health care and the measures required to
halt an outbreak are being taken.

In other regions, the countries with 1st confirmed cases are Malaysia
(2); India (1) and Turkey (1).


Communicated by:
ProMED-mail promed@promedmail.org

******
[3] News briefs
Date: 17 May 2009

[Below are links to newswires with information on confirmed cases in
countries not included in official updates from 6 May 2009, and other
events of potential interest. The newswires are full of reports of
suspected cases in many countries. Reports have been filtered and
discarded as more information becomes available during the day. - Mod.MPP]

Americas:
USA - 6th death confirmed, 53 year old male in New York City with
history pre-existing medical conditions
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/18/nyregion/18swine.html?_r=4&hp

Chile - 1st 2 cases confirmed, history of travel Dominican Republic
with connecting flight through Panama
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/429970/1/.html


Communicated by:
ProMED-mail promed@promedmail.org
ProMED-mail Rapporteur Mary Marshall
Leandro Martinez leandro.martinez81@gmail.com

[To summarize the current situation, as of 7:00 AM GMT on 17 May
2009, there have been a total of 8480 cases and 72 deaths of
influenza A (H1N1) infection officially reported to WHO coming from
39 countries, up from 8451 confirmed cases and 72 deaths from 36
countries yesterday (16 May 2009). As of 18:00 GMT-4, there have been
a total of 8409 cases and 74 deaths reported worldwide, with 14
countries in the Americas reporting cases. The new country reporting
cases in the past 24 hours is Chile. According to newswires there has
been another death in the USA, bringing the total number of deaths
attributable to influenza A(H1N1) infection in the USA to 6. Of
interest is that while initial reports on the cases in Chile gave a
history of travel to Mexico, the official report on the Ministry of
Health website ( http://www.minsal.cl/ ) mentions that both cases
returned to Chile from the Dominican Republic via Panama, the day
preceding confirmation of their infections — suggesting that either
there was a less than 24 hour incubation period with transmission
occurring while in transit in Panama, or contact with infected
individuals in the Dominican Republic (which up to the present has
not reported any cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection.

For a map of reported confirmed cases worldwide as of 08:00 GMT 16
May 2009, see
http://www.who.int/csr/don/h1n1_20090517_0800.jpg

For an interactive map of reported confirmed cases in the Americas as
of 16 May 2009 showing burden of disease by state/province, see the
17 May 2009 full epi alert document available for download at
http://new.paho.org/hq/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1377&Itemid=1167
- Mod.MPP]


7,797 posted on 05/17/2009 11:16:56 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: hoosiermama

My son and I have laughed at the “green” projects on HGTV. We’ve lived that way for generations. The liberals are just figuring it out. We garden, recycle, care for the land etc.<<<

As do I.

I called myself an “Organic Gardner” back in the early 1960’s and had started earlier than that.

Now they identify me as a “Rodale “ follower which is an honor, for he spent a lifetime teaching organic.

As for recycling, that I have done all my life, it was always fun to go to the dump with my dad, for he too could find things to re-use at the ‘city - exchange’.

Welcome to the thread, we need more of you to share your experiences and current actions, that is how we learn.

I would have to be really hungry, before I ate soy cheese again.


7,798 posted on 05/17/2009 11:23:17 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: CPT Clay

7700 Replys...

Good post!!!<<<

Thanks for coming to read, on page one of this thread there is a link to thread #1, it has 10,000 posts.

Welcome to the thread.


7,799 posted on 05/17/2009 11:24:27 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: appleseed

Holy cow! Sit back make some popcorn and enjoy the show.<<<

Welcome to the thread.

Better pack a lunch too, for on page one of this thread, there is a link to thread #1, which contains 10,000 posts.

Thanks for pinging others, for all of you have much knowledge that we hope you will share with us.


7,800 posted on 05/17/2009 11:26:25 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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