Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

(Excerpt) Read more at web.israelinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 0acornfraudselection; 0afraud; 0bama; 0bamasafraud; 0fraud0bama; 2008; 2008election; akaobama; antiamerican; antichrist; anticonstitution; archives; article2section1; barackobama; benghazi; bho2009; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; blackhomosexuality; blackhomosexuals; bloggers; blogs; boguspotus; bornconpsiracy; canadian; certifigate; closetedmuslim; colb; colbaquiddic; commanderofkenya; communistpotus; conman; conspiracy; counterfeiting; dailykos; demagogues; democrats; devilschild; dnc; dqed; exciafraud; fabricatedfamily; factcheck; fakebutaccurate; fakefamily; fascist; fastandfurious; fightthesmears; flipflopper; fraud; fraudster; fuddy; hi2008; hussein; illegaalalien; illegitimate; impeachnow; ineligible; ineligiblepotus; irs; jaymckinnon; kenyanforpotus; kenyanpotus; kinkos; kossacks; leftwingconspiracy; liar; liars; liberals; lotsakeywords; marxistpotus; marxistusurper; mckinnon; megathread; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamaarchives; obamafraud; obamaisafraud; obamaisaliar; obamanoncitizenissue; obamatruthfile; obamessiahlied; onthedownlow; opendna; oscama; passportgate; photoshop; photoshopfamily; pleasekillthisthread; polarik; repository; rosemarysbaby; scam; scammer; scumofearth; secretmuslim; socialism; soetoro; spawnofthedevil; thegreaterevil; uhoh; unamerican; usurper; usurperinchief; whereyoufrom; whoisobama; whoisthisman; whoseyourdaddy; whosyourmama; whyyouhere
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 5,421-5,4405,441-5,4605,461-5,480 ... 9,661-9,665 next last
To: Candor7; Fred Nerks

You’re welcome, Candor7. Nadar predicts Hil will be Obamba’s VP; check this out.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2064660/posts


5,441 posted on 08/26/2008 9:47:53 PM PDT by LucyT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5439 | View Replies]

To: bvw
The US embassy or consulate of the nation in which US parent serviceman are located at the time of birth issues a document called: "Proof of Birth of an American Citizen Abroad"

It is drawn according the the hospital records of the birth, and proof of US citizenship of at least one of the parents, and a valid marriage certificate in the case where one parent is not a US citizen.

This would have been the case with McCain.

5,442 posted on 08/26/2008 9:49:54 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5401 | View Replies]

To: LucyT

Interesting, indeed.


5,443 posted on 08/26/2008 10:13:48 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5437 | View Replies]

To: AmericanArchConservative

Ooooo, you used the R word! Naughty, naughty.


5,444 posted on 08/27/2008 4:31:50 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5430 | View Replies]

To: bvw
I admit, this is getting more interesting. I didn't have much faith in Berg. I thought the suit was more of a vaccination against further suits.

If Berg succeeds, can we sic him after the rest of the politicians that aren't natural born citizens? Like Bob Menendez?


5,445 posted on 08/27/2008 4:35:00 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5431 | View Replies]

To: Calpernia

The natural born requirement applies to the President and Vice-President only. The Senate and House just have to be citizens.


5,446 posted on 08/27/2008 4:52:16 AM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5445 | View Replies]

To: bvw

That may be true; but Menendez has falsified his date of birth.


5,447 posted on 08/27/2008 4:54:21 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5446 | View Replies]

To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker
While the court didn't rule on this point I have a lot of faith in Ted Olsen to put forth solid arguments.

Olson's participation in this dance so far has been purely as a political advocate--here were his arguments; I can make the arguments for McCain as well as Olson can, but the bottom line is that he was born as a citizen of a foreign government, subject to the sovereignty of another government, and he flunks the Constitutional test.

Your analysis of juris soli also wouldn't fly as real legal analysis (I assume you are not a lawyer)--offspring of an alien who are born in the U S are not subject to the sovereignty of the foreign power at birth.

Your analysis of the practical power of Congress to address the issue is all very interesting but there is no real legal authority and no basis on which to predict how a Constitutional crisis would play out. But there isn't any doubt that once it is determined that a majority of the Electors, elected in November are Obama electors, there will be a Constitutional crisis when the facts surface. Assuming the Dems control Congress, they might be satisfied with President Biden.

As to the ultimate issue with respect to Obama--there is no doubt that he was born in Kenya. A look at the record of what he has done over the last four or five years on the subject just doesn't leave any room for doubt. The so called Birth Certificate, even if real (and it is a photoshoped fraud in its present condition), doesn't say anything on the subject--all of the states issue birth certificates to people who were not born in that state; that is one of the reasons a birth certificate is in poor repute as an identification document.

A certificate of the state of actual birth records would have more credibility--complete with a copy of the footprint; Obama hasn't released that document and isn't going to. Whatever it says supports the finding that he was born in Kenya.

5,448 posted on 08/27/2008 5:34:18 AM PDT by David (...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5440 | View Replies]

To: bvw
Could you post a few small animated overlay images as the proof?

Proof of what?

5,449 posted on 08/27/2008 5:47:00 AM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5408 | View Replies]

To: Polarik

Of any mismatch between the CoLB in the latest FactCheck photos and the older images of the CoLB from KOS and FTS.


5,450 posted on 08/27/2008 5:58:43 AM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5449 | View Replies]

To: bvw
Of any mismatch between the CoLB in the latest FactCheck photos and the older images of the CoLB from KOS and FTS.

They're all posted here.

5,451 posted on 08/27/2008 6:06:24 AM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5450 | View Replies]

To: Polarik

I haven’t seen such images.


5,452 posted on 08/27/2008 6:08:20 AM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5451 | View Replies]

To: LucyT
.

*

5,453 posted on 08/27/2008 9:01:13 AM PDT by LucyT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5452 | View Replies]

To: David
Olson's participation in this dance so far has been purely as a political advocate-
As the former Solicitor General and a distinguished conservative I doubt he lets court pleadings turn into political documents under his name. Please address his legal arguments presented in court rather than just his credibility.
... he flunks the Constitutional test.
By one of the untested theories of the meaning of this vague constitutional test.
I assume you are not a lawyer
I never said I was. That's one of the reasons I post so many pointers to credible references (ie. the law, the State Department, court cases, ...).

Please destroy my arguments with lawyerly precision, including some pointers to legal authorities.

Your analysis of juris soli also wouldn't fly as real legal analysis (I assume you are not a lawyer)--offspring of an alien who are born in the U S are not subject to the sovereignty of the foreign power at birth.
The State Department disagrees with you. See this note on dual citizenship from their website.
Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice.

...

The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad.

...

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.

...

Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the foreign country's embassy and consulates in the United States.

Your argument as to why a citizen born abroad fails the test is that the defect follows him into his presidency. This issue applies to citizens born in the US with dual citizenship as well.
But there isn't any doubt that once it is determined that a majority of the Electors, elected in November are Obama electors, there will be a Constitutional crisis when the facts surface.
If he was proven to have been born in Kenya there is no doubt we would have a constitutional "crisis" on our hands. The Constitution lays out the procedures for dealing with it.
As to the ultimate issue with respect to Obama--there is no doubt that he was born in Kenya. A look at the record of what he has done over the last four or five years on the subject just doesn't leave any room for doubt.
We disagree here but it is a judgment call. I'll continue to concede that if he was born in Kenya he is toast (is that a proper legal term? lol).

You didn't address the point that the courts cannot remove a president. How do challenges to his eligibility get into discovery? There is no remedy the court can offer. I don't want to assume that the lack of a response means you agree with me.

The bottom line is in my judgment this is a political issue for the voters and Congress to decide. The courts aren't given a role. I think we agree on that though I not 100% sure.

... complete with a copy of the footprint ...
I can picture having him give a footprint to match. lol
5,454 posted on 08/27/2008 9:05:45 AM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5448 | View Replies]

To: Polarik; LucyT
Ron, on your TownHall page you have big images of the new FactCheck CoLB overlaid on the DeCosta and Michelle certificates.

Could you make a few smaller images of key parts of the new FactCheck CoLB overlaid on the oldest KOS image?

5,455 posted on 08/27/2008 9:13:10 AM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5451 | View Replies]

To: bvw

“Highway 61 Revisited, see post above.”

Holy crap!!!!


5,456 posted on 08/27/2008 1:47:01 PM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5433 | View Replies]

To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker
I'm embarrased to say that WorldNetDaily and I agree on something.
However, a WND investigation has found that at least part of Berg's lawsuit relies on discredited claims.

...

The lawsuit claims Barack Obama's eligibility is questionable on several grounds, including the allegation that he was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship, that his Hawaii birth certificate is a forgery – a now discredited claim – that he was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship.

This is a poorly worded sentence. I grouped it in bold the way I interpret it but left the rest to avoid self serving quotes
In short, the suit claims Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child (Editor's note: This point is not supported by U.S. citizenship law);

A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic.

I hope they plan on publishing the names and qualifications of these experts. It doesn't say if they had the actual document or scans.
The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.
It would be nice to know which bloggers added text. That's a pretty serious charge that should be substantiated. Which bloggers did this?
The claim could not be verified by WND inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public. ...

However, there doesn't seem to be any evidence Ann Dunham expatriated. Also, consulting citizenship experts contend that if Obama indeed obtained Indonesian citizenship, it simply would not have been recognized by the U.S., but the presidential candidate would retain his American citizenship.

It's the law folks. See earlier links.
A WND investigation could not find any proof Obama used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan. However, WND noted that Pakistan in 1981 was under military rule and that it was difficult for U.S. citizens to travel to the country without assistance – meaning, it would have been easier to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport.
But it doesn't matter because a dual national (if he was one) using his foreign passport (if he had one) is not grounds for losing American citizenship.

I wouldn't take WND's word for anything, but it would be nice to see the actual evidence they have collected.

5,457 posted on 08/27/2008 4:25:08 PM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5454 | View Replies]

To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker
Your excerpts of the WND piece are nothing, and you know it. They leave basic questions unanswered. Who discredited the claim the CoLB is a forgery and how? Who are the so-called forgery experts and what proves their expertise?

And as you said -- who is accused of adding text and images?

We know that there were a number of joke images where text and images were added.

5,458 posted on 08/27/2008 7:15:10 PM PDT by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5457 | View Replies]

marked 2 read


5,459 posted on 08/27/2008 7:18:59 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5458 | View Replies]

To: bvw
Your excerpts of the WND piece are nothing, and you know it.
I have a hard time buying anything that WND says. I thought that was clear from my comments. The story was very sloppy. I had not seen their comments before today though. If they have evidence they should just put it out and not hint at it.

WND definitely shouldn't claim a blogger doctored images without naming the blogger and providing some proof. They made the claim in such a way as to cast suspicion on everyone who has dealt with the images. Really unfair.

My question is though, why is Corsi's employer raining on this parade? Especially after he tried to bring it into the MSM.

5,460 posted on 08/27/2008 8:12:02 PM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5458 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 5,421-5,4405,441-5,4605,461-5,480 ... 9,661-9,665 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson