I've always thought that it's the one-liners and memorable phrases that really count, not "debate points", and I feel that Bush had some good ones. I think the best is the following regarding Kerry's call for more foreign troops in Iraq: "So what's the message going to be: Please join us in Iraq? We're a grand diversion? Join us for a war that is the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time?" -- Zing! Anybody else have some good ones???