Skip to comments.English And Welsh Are Races Apart
Posted on 07/04/2002 5:27:12 PM PDT by blam
Sunday, 30 June, 2002, 15:31 GMT 16:31 UK
English and Welsh are races apart
Gene scientists claim to have found proof that the Welsh are the "true" Britons.
The research supports the idea that Celtic Britain underwent a form of ethnic cleansing by Anglo-Saxons invaders following the Roman withdrawal in the fifth century.
Genetic tests show clear differences between the Welsh and English
It suggests that between 50% and 100% of the indigenous population of what was to become England was wiped out, with Offa's Dyke acting as a "genetic barrier" protecting those on the Welsh side.
And the upheaval can be traced to this day through genetic differences between the English and the Welsh.
Academics at University College in London comparing a sample of men from the UK with those from an area of the Netherlands where the Anglo-Saxons are thought to have originated found the English subjects had genes that were almost identical.
But there were clear differences between the genetic make-up of Welsh people studied.
The research team studied the Y-chromosome, which is passed almost unchanged from father to son, and looked for certain genetic markers.
Ethnic links: Many races share common bonds
They chose seven market towns mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086 and studied 313 male volunteers whose paternal grandfather had also lived in the area.
They then compared this with samples from Norway and with Friesland, now a northern province of the Netherlands.
The English and Frisians studied had almost identical genetic make-up but the English and Welsh were very different.
The researchers concluded the most likely explanation for this was a large-scale Anglo-Saxon invasion, which devastated the Celtic population of England, but did not reach Wales.
Dr Mark Thomas, of the Centre for Genetic Anthropology at UCL, said their findings suggested that a migration occurred within the last 2,500 years.
It reinforced the idea that the Welsh were the true indigenous Britons.
In April last year, research for a BBC programme on the Vikings revealed strong genetic links between the Welsh and Irish Celts and the Basques of northern Spain and south France.
It suggested a possible link between the Celts and Basques, dating back tens of thousands of years.
The UCL research into the more recent Anglo-Saxon period suggested a migration on a huge scale.
"It appears England is made up of an ethnic cleansing event from people coming across from the continent after the Romans left," he said.
Archaeologists after the Second World War rejected the traditionally held view that an Anglo-Saxon invasion pushed the indigenous Celtic Britons to the fringes of Britain.
Instead, they said the arrival of Anglo-Saxon culture could have come from trade or a small ruling elite.
But the latest research by the UCL team, "using genetics as a history book", appears to support the original view of a large-scale invasion of England.
It suggests that the Welsh border was more of a genetic barrier to the Anglo-Saxon Y chromosome gene flow than the North Sea.
Dr Thomas added: "Our findings completely overturn the modern view of the origins of the English."
I guess I'm stupid. I thought this was the way it worked all along. I didn't realize it was a controversy.
FWIW, I think now the Welsh need to go to the ICC, and sue the English for "reparations."
Mr. Jones can say "Awroit, we'll taik London, Birmin'am, Mawnchestah and Yo'k. Yew c'n stay in the othah places if yews behave y'selves..."
Also, the ancient name for Spain is Iberia and the ancient name for Scotland and Ireland is Hibernia. The phonetic similarity is not by accident.
The similarities dont end there either.
The ancient Gaelic language of Scotland and Ireland seems to come from the original Gallic language of Gaul in southern Europe and Galatia, where the Gauls established colonies in Turkey as mercenaries for the Roman empire. You may recall St. Paul's book to the Galatians as a biblical reference to these people.
It's always interesting to see how these items tie together.
That makes two of us. We must have had the same history book.
It would be interesting to check the DNA for the maternal line.
I am not a mere Celt, I am a Pict!
Leastwise that's been my understanding from our history as portrayed in the King Arthur stories.
Interesting that this genetic study demonstrates their truthfulness.
(NOTE: Regarding "King Arthur", that's just the masculine form of "Boudicca" or "Boadicea". Although this name is usually translated as "victorious", it is clearly a phrase made up of "bo" or "bo", "u" or "a" or "au", "dic" and "ca". "Bo" is just another Celtic honorific, as in Mc, Mac and O'. It's not used often these days. "A", "U", or "AU" is clearly a Gaelic name cognate to "Arthur". "Dic" is clearly the root Indo-European for "king" or "queen". "Ca" makes it all feminine, as in "queen".
The "King Arthur" stories might more properly be called "Annals of the Kings of Briton".)
Yup. Linguists have 'pinpointed' the origin of all the Indo-European languages to Anatolia, the mother tongue, so to speak.
However, the Basque language is not related in any way to the Indo-European languages. (Which still puzzles me.)
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