To: blam
I've read in many places that the descendants of the Irish and the Scots migrated from the Middle East (Anatolia/Turkey) thru Spain and wound up in the British Isles, starting in the BC era. This would seem to agree with the genetic link between the Welsh, the Scots/Irish and the Basque's of Spain.
Also, the ancient name for Spain is Iberia and the ancient name for Scotland and Ireland is Hibernia. The phonetic similarity is not by accident.
The similarities dont end there either.
The ancient Gaelic language of Scotland and Ireland seems to come from the original Gallic language of Gaul in southern Europe and Galatia, where the Gauls established colonies in Turkey as mercenaries for the Roman empire. You may recall St. Paul's book to the Galatians as a biblical reference to these people.
It's always interesting to see how these items tie together.
6 posted on
07/04/2002 5:41:43 PM PDT by
keithtoo
To: keithtoo
The Celts apparently originated in Central Europe and moved both southeast, towards Galatia in Anatolia, and south and west, into Britain, Ireland, Gaul, Italy and Spain.
They later were pushed out of their original home in Central Europe by incoming Germans, apparently from Scandinavia.
There is a lot of evidence that the Celts displaced earlier groups, by either extermination or enslavement.
10 posted on
07/04/2002 5:52:31 PM PDT by
Restorer
To: keithtoo
"I've read in many places that the descendants of the Irish and the Scots migrated from the Middle East (Anatolia/Turkey) thru Spain and wound up in the British Isles, starting in the BC era. " Yup. Linguists have 'pinpointed' the origin of all the Indo-European languages to Anatolia, the mother tongue, so to speak.
However, the Basque language is not related in any way to the Indo-European languages. (Which still puzzles me.)
15 posted on
07/04/2002 5:57:17 PM PDT by
blam
To: keithtoo
There are two streams of Celtic culture and Gaelic language peoples that converge in the British Isles.
There are the more primitive Continental Celts who moved there through Northern and Western Europe.
Then, there are the ones best called "Seagoing Celts". They started out living along the Danube near the Black Sea. They also founded a kingdom on Anatolia proper, across the sea from the Danube estuary. The Greeks called it Troy, and they called it Illium or Allium.
Prior to their involvement with the Greeks, they had association with the Phoenicians. Some of their written materials showed up in the library at Ebla.
Later on in history they engaged in conflict with the proto-Greeks known as the Romans, siding with Carthage in the Punic Wars.
These are the people whose relatives set sail from Galiza for Scota some time in the 700BC period. Still, through centuries of banging around the Bay of Biscay, there is no doubt they managed to intermix with the Basque people as well as the Continental Celts. It is their story of founding by the Three Brothers that is featured prominantly in the coastal areas of Western Europe and the non-anglo portions of the British isles (Manx, Cymru, Alba, Scota, Galiza, and Brezh).
23 posted on
07/04/2002 6:07:57 PM PDT by
muawiyah
To: keithtoo
My father's family is originally from Galicia, and they have always referred to themselves as Celts. Some of his family returned there after the Cuban revolution and everyone in the village where they live state emphatically that they're all Celtic. My father has always felt galled that Castro is Galician and he thinks "that family was obviously infected with Moor-tainted Andulusian blood."
To: keithtoo
Listen Keithtoo and the rest of you. I speak thre truth! One can plainly see 90% of all Brittsh people look just like Jews and Syrians (save for nose shape). This Danish/Northern German genes/ancestry bit for English is true but its still as good as a bunch of bull. The Anglo-Saxons and Vikings were mostly all men. They came to Britain and married (or just mixed with) the largely Syrian descended British ladies living there. And for a time quite Syrian descended British men continued to cross with the native Syrian-British ladies. But the Viking men, who came after the German men, finished the job of Y chromosoming the Syrian Y out of existence in England. Later when England got powerful English soldiers began strutting their stuff all over Ireland, Scotland, and Wales (these areas had been usually less Viking settled than England). As a result of soldier crossing they all started looking more like the Enlish and getting the occasional Viking/German Y chromosome. Really the English are usually 50-70% Syrian themselves. The Welsh 70-90% Syrian. THe Irish 60-90%. The Scots 60-70%. The fact that a lot of Welsh are usually light skinned (though there are olive-skinned exceptions) doesn't mean they're that significantly of German/Viking blood. Its that Wales is geographically cold a lot of the year and mother nature "felt"that their few Viking/German genes would serve them better for fair skin suitable to a mostly cold climate than their way larger amount of Meditteranean/syrian genes for olive skin. Mother nature is like that. A bunch of grizzly bears turned out to be like 70-80% polar bear in genes but yet the bears looked just like grizzlies. Why? Because mother nature felt these bears living so far south of the North Pole would be better suited to have their small of grizzly genes predominate. Same (pretty much) for the British.
To: keithtoo
"The ancient Gaelic language of Scotland and Ireland seems to come from the original Gallic language of Gaul in southern Europe and Galatia, where the Gauls established colonies in Turkey as mercenaries for the Roman empire. "
From a homeland somewhere near the Black Sea the Celts moved throughout Western Europe. Their cousins moved East to India. Sanscrit is closely akin to Gaelic in vocabulary and structure.
To: keithtoo
Lost tribes of Israel?
Anyone know of genetic studies further along on that issue?
335 posted on
02/22/2004 7:59:08 AM PST by
Quix
(Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
To: keithtoo
Isrealites, they are all little Israelites running around. Migrating after the Assyrian invasion in 721 BC. Google Yair Davidy if you are curious about migratory paths of the ancient people.
415 posted on
11/01/2007 11:36:06 AM PDT by
ladyL
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To: keithtoo
I’ve read in many places that the descendants of the Irish and the Scots migrated from the Middle East (Anatolia/Turkey) thru Spain and wound up in the British Isles,
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Many descendants of the Irish and Scots ended up in the land of Dixie and distinguished themselves in the Confederate army. Many other descendants wound up as Catholic priests, policemen, politicians and one Irish branch became the ruling family of Massachusetts. I am sometimes accused of bearing a striking resemblance to one descendant of the Irish who became a famous actor after serving in the Army during WWII and for some years after the war ended.
416 posted on
06/07/2008 1:46:45 PM PDT by
RipSawyer
(Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
To: keithtoo
Actually it’s the other way around — the Celts from around France and Belgium invaded Italy in 350BC, conquering Rome and then moved on to settle down in Galatia in Anatolia presently in Turkey
427 posted on
10/10/2012 3:35:06 AM PDT by
Cronos
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