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Redemption is what Christ did for ALL of us on the cross. Justification is how we make that redemption our own. Salvation only occurs after we die and are judged. To differentiate between being saved and attain full salvation is to confused salvation with redemption and justification. It is intellectually stimulating to discuss these things God has allowed us to know about, but I don't believe He intends us to be at enmity with each other over things we may only be able to nibble at the corners of. If it helps us to further our knowledge and appreciation of God and ourselves within His plan, that's good. If it draws us away to opposing corners in anger at brethren in Christ, it's not so good.

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Elsie: So much for the healiung power of Jesus..

·  Christianity started out as a Jewish sect.

·  Jesus was a Jew.

·  The God of the Bible is the God of the Torah (the Great I AM, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob).

·  All of his apostles were Jews.

·  All of the protagonists of the Bible are Jews.

·  Jesus claimed to be the Jewish Messiah.

·  Jesus’ teachings are builds upon Jewish teachings.

·  For Christians, Jesus was the fulfilled Old Testament prophecy.

·  Because of Jesus being the fulfillment of Old Testament Prophecy, the Christian Bible includes the Old Testament, which is largely similar to the Jewish Tanakh (here are the minor differences: What is the Difference between the

  1. ).
  2. Everything that happened in the Gospels happens in Jewish lands (albeit under Roman occupation at that time).
  3. For Christians, the “Holy Land” is in Israel.
  4. The earliest Christians were Jews.
  5. The first Christian Church was founded in Jerusalem.
  6. Important days of the Christian calendar coincide with important dates in the Jewish calendar (e.g. Jesus’ crucifixion and Passover).
  7. There is a sizeable denomination of Christian Jews who retain their Jewish customs.
  8. As we speak, Christians and Christian-majority countries have a great relationship with the modern state of Israel.
  9. Christian Eschatology foresees a returning Jesus with the hosts of Heaven, landing in Jerusalem and fighting for Jerusalem.

And here are some of the reasons why Christians and Muslims do not have very much in common when it comes to their faiths:

  1. Islam started out in Arabia - a culture totally alien to the Christian world.
  2. Muhammad was an Arab pagan before he claimed that he was the last of the line of prophets.
  3. Allah is - by description and by name - NOT the God of the Bible or the Torah. The Qur’an never mentions YHVH, Yahweh, Elohim, Ha Shem, God the Father, Abba, or any of the names of God found in the Bible or Torah. And no, Allah is not the generic term for “god” in Arabic. That would be “Ilah.”
  4. Muhammad claims that Allah is the god of Abraham, Ishmael, and the original deity presiding over the Kaaba.
  5. Muhammad nixes the promise of salvation for Christians, by claiming Jesus never died on the cross and was just a human prophet like him.
  6. Muhammad claimed to be the last prophet, the Seal of the Prophets, while for Christians the story of salvation with God has come full-cycle with Jesus.
  7. Muhammad’s teachings didn’t have anything to do with Christian teachings.
  8. The Qur’an forbids Muslims to be friends with Christians [1].
  9. Muhammad had no idea what the Gospels were. He thought they were texts “revealed” to Jesus.
  10. Islam teaches that the Gospel have been corrupted by men, and so the Bible that Christians have
  11. Muhammad had no idea what the Gospels taught. For example, he thought God taught Christians to “slay and be slain” in the Gospels [2].
  12. Muhammad introduced a strict law, that is culturally alien to Christians and go against Christian moral values (polygamy, warfare, etc.)
  13. Everything that happens in the Qur’an and Hadith happened in Arabia (except for a brief dream sequence in which Muhammad flew on a flying donkey and made a layover in Jerusalem. See: Al-Isra - Wikipedia
  1. ).
  2. For Muslims, the “Holy Land” is Mecca and Medina.
  3. Muslim holidays have nothing in common with Christian (or Jewish) holidays.
  4. Muhammad and the Early Muslims have actively waged war against Christians and Christian kingdoms.
  5. Muslim kingdoms have waged war against “Christendom,” have conquered Christian lands for centuries.
  6. Even now as we speak, any Muslim militant group in existence, have on their agenda the destruction of Christian countries.
  7. In Islamic Eschatology, the Muslim Jesus will arrive to destroy Christianity [3], make war upon the “Romans” i.e. Christians [4], and kill all Jews [5].

In summary

While it is a historical fact that Christianity started out as a Jewish sect, it has very little in common with Islam. In fact, since its beginning, Islam has established itself as an “anti-theology” to Christianity (and also Judaism). Islamic scripture - Qur’an, Hadith, or Sira Literature - all teach a anti-Christian and anti-Semitic attitude.

The repercussions of this dynamic between Christian vs. Islamic theology can be felt even today - and if you believe in it - it will be the deciding factor during the final End-Times battle.


Footnotes:

[1]:

O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

Qur’an 5:51 (Yusuf Ali Translation. The Quranic Arabic Corpus

)

[2]:

“Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.”

Qur’an 9:111

[3]

"By He in whose hands my soul rests, Jesus, the Son of Mary, is to descend amongst you as a just ruler. He will break the cross, kill the pig, abolish Jizya and wealth will increase to such an extent that one prostration will be more valuable than the whole world and all that it contains."

Sahih al-Bukhari

, 3:43:656

[4]

Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger as saying:

The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A’maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army) which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah’s eye, would be killed and the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).

Sahih Muslim 2897
In-book : Book 54, Hadith 44

[5]

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say: “O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him”. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

Sahih Muslim

, 41:6985

December 25 was not Saturnalia. Saturnalia was *not* celebrated on December 25th → the celebration date for **Saturnalia was originally on December 17th and was later expanded to six days of celebration spanning from December 17th to December the 23rd. ** Saturnalia was already over by December 25th.

Also, by the fourth century AD, Saturnalia was a largely **secular holiday** and many Christians actually do not seem to have had much of a problem with it. Both Christmas and Saturnalia are listed as holidays on the *Chronograph of 354*, a Roman calendar for the year 354 AD.

“*Christians did not know in which month Jesus was born so they started celebrating the birth of Christ on the day of Saturnalia*” — this is doubly wrong

1. As shown above, Saturnalia was already over before December 25th. If Christians had really chosen the date for Christmas based on the date of Saturnalia, Christmas would have been celebrated on December 17th, but instead it is celebrated on December 25th.

2. Christians celebrated from the first century, the annunciation i.e. the arrival of Christ into Mary’s womb was celebrated on March 25th. So March 25 + 9 months = December 25th