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Iscool I believe in the bible Trinity... God does not include the Father...

God IS the Father...

Iscool God became a Jewish man to minister to the Jews...

Only after the Jews rejected Jesus did he turn to us Gentiles...And that was only to make his chosen people jealous, for a time...

When God is done letting the Jews learn their lesson, he will take us Gentiles out of the way by way of the Rapture and will again turn to his chosen, the Jews...

The theme of the Bible is not salvation for mankind...

Rev 21:1

With he passing away of the old Jerusalem, the entire structure was enhanced - with the "new creation" with the vision of the "New Jerusalem"

This explains the spiritual significance of Christ's fulfilling all things in Himself and His Church.

The New Jerusalem describes both heaven and Christ's Bride, the Church. The New Jerusalem comes down from heaven to be with the saints on earth.

Look at Rev 21:12-14 where the city has 12 foundations and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb --> this is from Ezekiel 48:31-34 and where the 12 apostles names replace the 12 tribes name. The Church is the fulfillment of God's Old Testament promises to the chosen people.

This is especially clear from Jesus' promise that the apostles would "sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" - Matthew 19:28

The new temple that was inaugurated and came with the destruction of the temple is in Rev 21:22 "And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the almighty and the Lamb

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The thing is - we are living in the Kingdom. This was evidenced in Jesus's own words

Luke 22:16
14 When the hour came, He reclined at the table, and the apostles with Him. 15 And He said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16 for I say to you, I shall not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

And 2 chapters later

Luke 24:30
30 And it came about, when He had reclined at the table with them, that He took the bread and blessed it, and He broke it and began giving it to them.

The Kingdom is brought near in the Word incarnate, it is proclaimed throughout the whole Gospel, and it has come in Christ's death and Resurrection. the Kingdom of God has been coming since the Last Supper and, in the Eucharist, it is in our midst

Romans 14:17 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

To fulfill the Father's will, Christ ushered in the Kingdom of heaven

Jesus Himself said

Mark 1:15
Jesus came into Galilee, [k]preaching the gospel of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God [l]is at hand; repent and [m]believe in the gospel.”
He told people in 30 AD that the Kingdom was "AT HAND" -- not that "It is 2000 years away" -- Jesus did NOT lie to those people. The Kingdom DID come in 33 AD.

Remember that although Jesus had always refused popular attempts to make him king, He did enter on an ass -- acclaimed as son of David, as the one who brings salvation (Hosanna means "Save!" or "Give salvation!"), the "King of glory" enters his City "riding on an ass"

Jesus' entry into Jerusalem manifested the coming of the kingdom that the King-Messiah was going to accomplish by the Passover of his Death and Resurrection == the ride into the Jerusalem was the ride to His coronation. He was crowned with thorns and in 3 days when He rose again, He had gained victory over death and inaugurated His Kingdom

In Jesus Christ the Reign of God has already come and is coming. It will come in its fullness only upon His glorious Return. In the interim, we are invited to live in, anticipate and spread that kingdom. We do so most fruitfully when we live in the heart of the Church, which is a seed of the kingdom, for the sake of the world. Mark 4:26 And He was saying, “The kingdom of God is like a man who casts seed upon the soil; Mark 4:30 30 And He was saying, “How shall we [j]picture the kingdom of God, or by what parable shall we present it? 31 It is like a mustard seed, which, when sown upon the soil, though it is the smallest of all the seeds that are upon the soil, 32 yet when it is sown, it grows up and becomes larger than all the garden plants, and forms large branches, with the result that the birds of the sky can nest under its shade.”

So this kingdom, this reign of God, has already come, it is coming and, when the King returns, it will be finally and fully revealed.

the question you as, where is it now in our daily lives?

In the Gospel of Luke we read about an encounter between Jesus and the Pharisees which says:

Asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God would come, Jesus said in reply, "The coming of the Kingdom of God cannot be observed, and no one will announce, 'Look, here it is,' or, 'There it is.' For behold, the Kingdom of God is among you. (Luke 17:20,21)
Our Christian life is a participation in the very life of God; what the Apostle Peter referred to as a participation in the Divine nature. (2 Peter 1:4) It is thus a participation in the kingdom - of which the Church is both a seed and sign.
2 Peter 1:4 Through [g]these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world on account of lust
"To what shall I compare the Kingdom of God? It is like yeast that a woman took and mixed in with three measures of wheat flour until the whole batch of dough was leavened." (Luke 13: 18 - 21) -- this is very clearly about there being no Jew and no Gentile

Paul also makes it clear in his letters to the Corinthians and the Galatians that it is necessary to do God’s will to enter the kingdom of God: “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?” The immoral, idolaters, adulterers, sexual perverts, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers, those guilty of envy, “and the like” are all excluded (cf. 1 Cor 6:9-10 and Gal 5:21). But Paul makes clear that this is not only a matter of avoiding certain fleshly evils; it is a matter of living in the spirit of God: “I tell you this, brethren: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable” (1 Cor 15:50).

I will end this with Jesus saying in Matthew 12:24 AFTER HE HAD cast out demons

But if I cast out the demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
He DID cast out demons just before that and He speaks the truth,
this belief that

  1. God's family expanded from a man (Abraham) to a family (isaac, Jacob) to a nation (Israel) to the world

  2. That the kingdom is of all humanity

These beliefs are from the 1st century of Christianity

Before 21:28-32 you have Jesus' authority challenged from the Sanhedrin elders

Then after that, the parable of the landowner

33 “Listen to another parable. There was a [n]landowner who planted a vineyard and put a [o]fence around it, and dug a wine press in it, and built a tower, and he leased it to [p]vine-growers and went on a journey. 34 And when the [q]harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his fruit. 35 And the vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again, he sent other slaves, more than the first; and they did the same things to them. 37 But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let’s kill him and take possession of his inheritance!’ 39 And they took him and threw him out of the vineyard, and killed him. 40 Therefore, when the [r]owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?” 41 They *said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end and lease the vineyard to other vine-growers, who will pay him the fruit in the proper seasons.”
Again the same - the vineyard is the Kingdom of Heaven. The people of ISrael killed the heir and so the kingdom is given to other vine-growers

This is glaringly apparent in Matt 21:43-44

43 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a [t]people producing its fruit. 44 And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and on whomever it falls, it will crush him.”

Redemption is what Christ did for ALL of us on the cross. Justification is how we make that redemption our own. Salvation only occurs after we die and are judged. To differentiate between being saved and attain full salvation is to confused salvation with redemption and justification. It is intellectually stimulating to discuss these things God has allowed us to know about, but I don't believe He intends us to be at enmity with each other over things we may only be able to nibble at the corners of. If it helps us to further our knowledge and appreciation of God and ourselves within His plan, that's good. If it draws us away to opposing corners in anger at brethren in Christ, it's not so good.

presently no screen name satan says I/my minions can deceive

Elsie: So much for the healiung power of Jesus..

·  Christianity started out as a Jewish sect.

·  Jesus was a Jew.

·  The God of the Bible is the God of the Torah (the Great I AM, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob).

·  All of his apostles were Jews.

·  All of the protagonists of the Bible are Jews.

·  Jesus claimed to be the Jewish Messiah.

·  Jesus’ teachings are builds upon 1st temple Israelite teachings.

·  For Christians, Jesus was the fulfilled Old Testament prophecy.

·  Because of Jesus being the fulfillment of Old Testament Prophecy, the Christian Bible includes the Old Testament, which is largely similar to the Jewish Tanakh (here are the minor differences: What is the Difference between the

  1. ).
  2. Everything that happened in the Gospels happens in Jewish lands (albeit under Roman occupation at that time).
  3. For Christians, the “Holy Land” is in Israel.
  4. The earliest Christians were Jews.
  5. The first Christian Church was founded in Jerusalem.
  6. Important days of the Christian calendar coincide with important dates in the Jewish calendar (e.g. Jesus’ crucifixion and Passover).
  7. There is a sizeable denomination of Christian Jews who retain their Jewish customs.
  8. As we speak, Christians and Christian-majority countries have a great relationship with the modern state of Israel.
  9. Christian Eschatology foresees a returning Jesus with the hosts of Heaven, landing in Jerusalem and fighting for Jerusalem.

And here are some of the reasons why Christians and Muslims do not have very much in common when it comes to their faiths:

  1. Islam started out in Arabia - a culture totally alien to the Christian world.
  2. Muhammad was an Arab pagan before he claimed that he was the last of the line of prophets.
  3. Allah is - by description and by name - NOT the God of the Bible or the Torah. The Qur’an never mentions YHVH, Yahweh, Elohim, Ha Shem, God the Father, Abba, or any of the names of God found in the Bible or Torah. And no, Allah is not the generic term for “god” in Arabic. That would be “Ilah.”
  4. Muhammad claims that Allah is the god of Abraham, Ishmael, and the original deity presiding over the Kaaba.
  5. Muhammad nixes the promise of salvation for Christians, by claiming Jesus never died on the cross and was just a human prophet like him.
  6. Muhammad claimed to be the last prophet, the Seal of the Prophets, while for Christians the story of salvation with God has come full-cycle with Jesus.
  7. Muhammad’s teachings didn’t have anything to do with Christian teachings.
  8. The Qur’an forbids Muslims to be friends with Christians [1].
  9. Muhammad had no idea what the Gospels were. He thought they were texts “revealed” to Jesus.
  10. Islam teaches that the Gospel have been corrupted by men, and so the Bible that Christians have
  11. Muhammad had no idea what the Gospels taught. For example, he thought God taught Christians to “slay and be slain” in the Gospels [2].
  12. Muhammad introduced a strict law, that is culturally alien to Christians and go against Christian moral values (polygamy, warfare, etc.)
  13. Everything that happens in the Qur’an and Hadith happened in Arabia (except for a brief dream sequence in which Muhammad flew on a flying donkey and made a layover in Jerusalem. See: Al-Isra - Wikipedia
  1. ).
  2. For Muslims, the “Holy Land” is Mecca and Medina.
  3. Muslim holidays have nothing in common with Christian (or Jewish) holidays.
  4. Muhammad and the Early Muslims have actively waged war against Christians and Christian kingdoms.
  5. Muslim kingdoms have waged war against “Christendom,” have conquered Christian lands for centuries.
  6. Even now as we speak, any Muslim militant group in existence, have on their agenda the destruction of Christian countries.
  7. In Islamic Eschatology, the Muslim Jesus will arrive to destroy Christianity [3], make war upon the “Romans” i.e. Christians [4], and kill all Jews [5].

In summary

While it is a historical fact that Christianity started out as a Jewish sect, it has very little in common with Islam. In fact, since its beginning, Islam has established itself as an “anti-theology” to Christianity (and also Judaism). Islamic scripture - Qur’an, Hadith, or Sira Literature - all teach a anti-Christian and anti-Semitic attitude.

The repercussions of this dynamic between Christian vs. Islamic theology can be felt even today - and if you believe in it - it will be the deciding factor during the final End-Times battle.


Footnotes:

[1]:

O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

Qur’an 5:51 (Yusuf Ali Translation. The Quranic Arabic Corpus

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[2]:

“Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.”

Qur’an 9:111

[3]

"By He in whose hands my soul rests, Jesus, the Son of Mary, is to descend amongst you as a just ruler. He will break the cross, kill the pig, abolish Jizya and wealth will increase to such an extent that one prostration will be more valuable than the whole world and all that it contains."

Sahih al-Bukhari

, 3:43:656

[4]

Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger as saying:

The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A’maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army) which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah’s eye, would be killed and the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).

Sahih Muslim 2897
In-book : Book 54, Hadith 44

[5]

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say: “O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him”. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

Sahih Muslim

, 41:6985

December 25 was not Saturnalia. Saturnalia was *not* celebrated on December 25th → the celebration date for **Saturnalia was originally on December 17th and was later expanded to six days of celebration spanning from December 17th to December the 23rd. ** Saturnalia was already over by December 25th.

Also, by the fourth century AD, Saturnalia was a largely **secular holiday** and many Christians actually do not seem to have had much of a problem with it. Both Christmas and Saturnalia are listed as holidays on the *Chronograph of 354*, a Roman calendar for the year 354 AD.

“*Christians did not know in which month Jesus was born so they started celebrating the birth of Christ on the day of Saturnalia*” — this is doubly wrong

1. As shown above, Saturnalia was already over before December 25th. If Christians had really chosen the date for Christmas based on the date of Saturnalia, Christmas would have been celebrated on December 17th, but instead it is celebrated on December 25th.

2. Christians celebrated from the first century, the annunciation i.e. the arrival of Christ into Mary’s womb was celebrated on March 25th. So March 25 + 9 months = December 25th