Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
So where is the doctor who delivered George Bush? Or better yet, how about the doctor who delivered Sarah Palin?
Oh, but we do know where Obama was born! He was born at the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. According to Obama’s own grandmother, she was present when Obama was born in Kenya.
If this info is incorrect, then refer to this story! Where is your contrary evidence Obama?
See, the problem is, many other places around the country people do not have that kind of close knit community. I was from a small town, and I’m sure my mother would know who delivered me, but it’s never been something that mattered to me, so I have no idea who it was.
Let’s make it interesting.
I’ll bet you $250,000 that I do. Mortgage your double-wide, we’ll have a neutral party hold the stakes in escrow. Winner takes all?
Are you a man , or are you .......... ?
I would, all day, every day.
I’ll bet you $250,000 I can have their names, locations of birth down to which delivery room that was used, and names of at least 5 witnesses in 20 days.
Neutral party holds the stakes in escrow?
Fair enough?
Human eyewitnesses don’t suffice for the Obots. Unless, of course, they can find one to lie in the usurper’s favor.
???
My how mercenary. Don't you want to do it merely for the challenge? Show how easy it is?
Why is it the one has not, and how many know why? In the DNC, RNC, or either party? And why did they not address it.
How many lawsuits are there? 20 or so? The attorneys have to file answers and motions and briefs; they fly around the country, appear by phone, write letters and memos, have client conferences, maybe hire local counsel, research, argue motions, etc. This is done at the both the lower and the appellate court levels. The legal fees would add up pretty quick, and I'm sure his attorneys “big firm” and not shy about billing; and he's got the money to pay them. I guarantee you that the attorneys are not charging $100/hour - probably $300/hr - maybe more.
In birther fantasyland he's spent "millions" (or is it "billions" now) fighting these suits.
In real life, attorneys on his behalf have filed routine motions to dismiss on suits that were quickly laughed out of court or "denied with no comment" if you will.
Conferences? Briefs? Research? Flights around the country? Again, only in birther fantasyland have these expensive legal actions taken place. In real life, motions to dismiss are filed and Obama continues to ignore the birthers' demands as their cases get thrown out of court one after the other.
Oh, that’s creative! MindBender26 has no new facts = Justadumbblonde must be troll. You fit in well with the Birthers.
I believe it was a combination of fear of being called rascist,direct financial personal risk through possible law suits ( Obama Lawyers),MSM media propaganda, and outright physical intimidation.
All these are marks of fascism.
Political correctness overtook logic in terms of deciding political policies in the Republican party.
This is why Steele has fired everyone at the RNC.
Because this has happened, the only recourse of the American people may be to revolt against their own government, if they still have the hutzpah.
Obviously the Obama camp thinks America does NOT have the hutzpah.
Who cares where he was born. Are you going to deny him messiah status simply because of an accident of geography?
I don’t understand your posting.
I am not arguing that he is definitely a “non-natural born citizen”, I am arguing that he has produced no evidence whatsoever that he IS a “natural born citizen”.
The evidence cited which you implied validated his claim as a natural born citizen is useless for the reasons I explained. The only known evidence that could settle the question is being concealed by 0bama at great cost to him.
Until he releases his original birth certificate with the details of the birth location and the signature of the attending physician (as McCain did when challenged), then I shall continue to believe he is hiding something.
That was my point.
A “natural born” citizen’s parents are both citizens at the time of birth. The issue that gave rise to the term was allegience to the country.
A person born here to non-citizen parents can only be a citizen if those parents were here under a resident alien visa, and thus having surrendered to the laws of the United States, IOW, there is no such thing as an “anchor baby.”
In real life, cases don’t get thrown out of court by judges laughing at them - they get thrown out by the defendant defending him or herself - with answers, motions, briefs, hearings, etc. If the defendants don’t defend themselves, the judges won’t do it for them.
I really haven’t dug deeply into this issue of how much was spent except to answer that post and state that defending lawsuits does cost money. No sane person can deny that.
That said, I do not know in which suits Obama was actually named a defendant. If he was not named, then he would not have to defend himself. To the extent that he was named, he has and is spending money on legal defense - lawsuits don’t magically disappear.
That’s the “real world”.
I have to agree with Jim Noble - I don't recall any of the babies I delivered by name, no matter how unusual, and I'm not an OB-GYN, so my delivery count isn't that high. I would expect small community hospitals where docs continue to treat and encounter mother and baby for years afterward would be different, but in a large city hospital without a continuing relationship with the patient, you'd need a very unusual memory or a very unusual event.
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