Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)

Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

[SE Mom]

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

[Gondring]

I think it was meant to signify the issuance date of the Certificate, which was supposed to look like a replacement for a certificate issued at the time of birth. Of course, it’s all fake.

[pulaskibush]

Does it strike anyone as odd that this information happened to be “discovered” on the Independence Day weekend. It’s well known that if there’s a bad story, the best thing to do is release on the weekend when the news is slow. This gives the Obama Propoganda Secretaries (aka ABCNBCCBSCNNNYTIMES) an even bigger reason to bury this story. The media will downplay this as an error that doesn’t matter. Just like Rev Wright, Ayers, 57 states, Vesco, Obama’s voting/non-voting record, etc.

I ask people at work if they have heard about the latest screwup about Obama. They seemed bummed out about voting for Obama, but also don’t feel like voting for McCain.

[Mr. Silverback]

I have not been reading post about the birth certificate until this post, but is it not law that a presidential candidate be born on US soil or one of its territories....wasn't there talk about McCain not being eligible for this very reason?

Yes, there was. Some people had an embarassing level of ignorance about the issue and didn't realize that a U.S. military base is U.S. soil.

[FocusNexus]

This summarizes the different requirements, as they changed over the years for children board abroad to be considered citizens.

http://www.pengweber.com/citizenship/citizenbybirth.html

“Between 12/24/1952 and 11/13/1986:

If one parent is a U.S. citizen, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after age 14.”

IF Obama was indeed born abroad, he couldn’t be a citizen based on these rules, because Obama’s Mother doesn’t meet that criteria, since she was only 18, when Obama was born, that would be only 4 years spent in the US after age 14.

[Spunky]

The bill applied to the children of Military. But the fact that the Democrats put it forth for McCain is a trick in order when the time comes they will say we need to do the same for Obama even though he isn't military. They will write out a bill to cover him.

[supercat]

Actually there is a logical reason why the Obama campaign would want to black out the number. By not releasing the number they make it impossible for a Photoshop artist to produce an altered Obama birth certificate and claim it is the real one.

If the number were not blacked out, all Obama would have to do is instruct anyone who was in doubt as to which one was real to send a copy of his (including the certificate number) to the state of Hawaii along with $5, and Hawaii would send back confirmation staying that it was real (and thus any other certificate that disagreed with it was fake).

In short, blacking out the number has exactly the opposite effect from what you claim.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks to David, Fred Nerks, you and others, this may be the most significant new thing on the forged Obamination Certificate of Live Birth.

[Girlene]

This controversy of the legitimacy of Obama's BC is interesting in light of how loudly he decried the passport breach earlier this year. Not that he shouldn't have been alarmed, but his reaction was louder than either McCain's or Clinton's reaction.

Paraphrasing a MSNBC/AP article, the following information can be found: date and place of birth, address at time of application and the countries the person has traveled to, the most important detail would be their Social Security number, which can be used to pull credit reports and other personal information.

His passport records were breached three times. January, February, and March. I believe all three were contractors, two of whom were fired. The one who was reprimanded, but not fired, viewed both Obama's and McCain's passport records.

At least three people have seen "some" record of the birth information he presented for a passport. Now it's just a matter of finding one of those who will talk. :-)

[Grampa Dave]

“Does it strike anyone as odd that this information happened to be “discovered” on the Independence Day weekend. It’s well known that if there’s a bad story, the best thing to do is release on the weekend when the news is slow. This gives the Obama Propoganda Secretaries (aka ABCNBCCBSCNNNYTIMES) an even bigger reason to bury this story. The media will downplay this as an error that doesn’t matter. Just like Rev Wright, Ayers, 57 states, Vesco, Obama’s voting/non-voting record, etc.”

This is typical at least since the days of the Clintoons to release bad news late on Friday for normal weekends or in the case on Thursday.

Besides ignoring the news and spiking it. The delay gives the rats controlling the DNC and MSM time to develop a new set of lies and spins to neutralize the bad news.

[dalight]

McKinnon probably didn’t even originate the image. I think he modified an already existing spoof.

I disagree, the border is different from the known real version of this certificate yet the revision number is the same. I believe that there is some reason for this.. you see the lines in the border were it was pasted together.. on a real official document this would be cause to send the thing back to the engraver.

Folks have found some reason to believe that it was printed and folded and perhaps rescanned before being modified but I very much doubt that the original was truly a scan of a real Hawaiian blank certificate.

[Spunky]

Senate Resolution 511

There were 5 sponsors. Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton, Webb.

[Mr. Silverback]

The problem with your theory (which I came close to embracing myself, mind you) is this:

Commander-in-Chief-in-Training.

Nope, not acceptable.

[Calpernia]

You may want that for your Iran Hostage history site.

Yeah, why can't conservatives strive for the "fake-but-accurate" reputation, too?!

What are earth are you talking about?

[Mr. Silverback]

Ern, even if he’s a completely valid natural born citizen, how in the bloody world is it not relevant that a presidential candidate was scared to show us his birth certificate for months? What is he trying to hide?

[dalight]

just acknowledging there are more than a few freepers who disagree with the focus this topic is receiving- it’s a reasonable point of view.

It may be a reasonable point of view but not a reasonable idea as we tend to get excited about what we get excited about and the only way to stop this discussion would be to freeze the thread.. and we would just create another thread. So, it would take another purge to enforce such a rule.

Its definitely not worth the drama especially since this issue factual in that it is appearant that the document posted at KOS and the Obama site are clearly established as forgeries.

This is national news and a story on the level of CBS Memogate. Not that KOS posted a forgery. Who cares.. but that the Stop the Smears site adopted it when they could have just posted a real one.. but chose not to. This gets to a serious problem with Obama Campaign credibility, not like we didn't already know this.. but MSM will not be able to ignore this.. much longer if Drudge or Rush or Hannity gets ahold of it and starts ripping the Stop the Smears site with posting a Forged Birth Certificate as "evidence." This is man bites dog, and it bleeds.. its too good not to print.

[Mr. Silverback]

BTW, let me remind both of you that at about this stage of the campaign in 2004 (by which I mean the "nominees are recently chosen" stage, not the calendar month), we had a number of Freepers, including myself, who said it was a fool's errand to question John Kerry's Vietnam service for the same reasons Ern is saying that we should leave this alone. By the time we had some more facts in the hopper, almost all of us changed our minds and realized that it was a key issue.

It seems almost certain there's something on his BC he doesn't want seen. But there's something here, even if the "something" is just the fact that Obama is so incompetent he can't release personal documents without causing a major cluster.

[Lady Jag]

Nully, check her birth certificate.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

“Me? Confused? I suppose that is theoretically possible...”

Oh lord!!! LOL!!!

I’m glad you took it in good spirits.

Thank you.

[Mr. Silverback]

Point well made and taken!

[American Quilter]

What we need is a Free Republic Wiki that integrates with the threads so that we can access them and manage articles that summarize our understanding of each topic so that as new facts and info is added we don't have to keep repeating ourselves in the threads to maintain a memory of what has already been established.

That sure would be helpful. I imagine it will take some money. I've contributed twice my customary quarterly donation during this FReepathon, and I hope everyone else here will, too.