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If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Prior thread ^ | July 18, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

* * R O U G H * * D R A F T * *

(continuing my remarks from prior thread)

Here is our recourse as declared by our Founding Fathers:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.

Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

We have reached the point where the government's long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.

Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.

An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:

The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.

An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.

A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.

Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.

We alter the government to provide new Guards for our future security as follows:

The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended. The government has stretched the constitutional limits well beyond those intended by our founders. We must take steps to ensure that this is corrected and that the out of control government is reined in and that sufficient measures are introduced to maintain the limits, checks and balances on government and that government powers are strictly limited to those enumerated in the constitution and that our rights are reestablished, reaffirmed, re-secured and safeguarded. We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.

As we restore constitutionally limited government several wrongs must be righted:

The central government has illegally expanded its powers. They've done this by ignoring or stretching their constitutional limits. They have usurped powers limited to the states and the people. We must reestablish and reaffirm the enumerated powers and limit the central government strictly to just those powers. They've built huge power bases by allowing senators and representatives to be full time professional career positions. We eliminate this by establishing strict qualifications for office and term limits.

We must reestablish and reaffirm the powers to the states and the people as defined by the 9th and 10th amendments.

The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders. This was never intended to be a function of the people. We the People are represented to the central government by our elected representatives in the House of Representatives. The sovereign states were to be represented by the state's senators to keep central powers and encroachment in check. Power is from the people to the states, and from the states to the central government. They've turned this upside down and inside out. We must correct it.

We hereby repeal the 17th amendment.

The central government has expanded well beyond the limits established for it by the founders and pay for that expansion by directly taxing the people and severely restricting our rights through an enslaving income tax.

We hereby repeal the 16th amendment.

The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.

The newly elected congress will establish rules and schedules for assessing and collecting fees, tariffs and excise taxes to support the armed forces and all constitutionally authorized departments of The United States Government per the Constitution of the United States (see schedule).

The central government is hereby stripped of all illegal powers and all departments and agencies not authorized by the constitution are hereby dissolved and disbanded. Their current budgets are hereby withdrawn. All disbanded department funds and liquid assets are to be immediately returned to the US Treasury. A list and methods for achieving this is provided in schedule xxx.

Ownership and responsibility for all federally held buildings, lands, parks, waterways, oceans, seas, etc, other than those in Washington, D.C. or military bases, forts, reservations, or local federal buildings owned by valid constitutional federal departments (see schedule) are hereby transferred to the sovereign state governments within which they reside or are located.

Responsibility for all natural resources found within any of the various states or within lands, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterways, seas out through our international boundary limits are hereby returned to the various states. All laws for mining, drilling, logging, or otherwise capitalizing on any minerals or natural resources are to be determined by the various states within which said resources are found.

The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed. All social security funds being held by the federal government are to be returned to the private retirement accounts of the individuals owning them. A special fund will be establish for all current recipients and new recipients according to schedule xxy and the social security system shall be phased out accordingly. The funds to support current social security benefits shall become the responsibility of the states within which the recipients reside.

No revenues accruing to the federal government shall be disbursed to any state, city or local government for any reason whatsoever. Or used to subsidize or benefit any government or private entity, organization or person, other than those explicitly authorized and enumerated in the constitution.

All states are hereby solely responsible for any and all revenues or funds required to operate their sovereign states. The central government is not obligated to and shall not interfere in state government or local affairs.

The interstate commerce clause shall be applied strictly to regulating interstate commerce as originally established and intended by our founders. No stretches or reinterpretations of any kind shall be allowed.

Our first unalienable right is the right to life. Protecting Life and Liberty shall be of paramount importance to our central government. Roe v Wade and all congressional acts, regulations, court opinions allowing legalized abortion or the taking of innocent human life are hereby rescinded, overruled, repealed, nullified and voided. Life is fully protected by the U.S. Government.

The Federal Reserve.

Border security.


FAA, FDA, FCC, various federal ABC departments agencies and agencies. Which to close, which to remake with constitutional limits and authority, etc.

Federal Pensions.

Etc, etc, etc.

Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.

This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government's ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.

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The current occupier of the White House is not 'illegal'

Then why did he sign an EO on his first day in office banning it's release? Seems "the one" has something to hide.

"I think if the founding fathers were here, there would've been 537 tarred, feathered, dead, rotting corpses swinging from the steps of OUR Capital a long time ago." - What a dreadful thing to say.

The truth is what it is, despite your refusal to accept it. The founding fathers revolted over far less than this government forces upon us with each passing day.

That's fact. Deal with it.

601 posted on 07/19/2009 2:28:28 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: NCBraveheart

“First, we hold new elections for the house, what says we don’t just send the same nit wits back again.”

EXACTLY! Here we are, blaming the Congress-critters for the problem when in fact WE THE PEOPLE VOTED THEM IN OFFICE.

It’s really simple. You want the Congress to follow the Constitution? Then ONLY VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO DO SO AND MAKE SURE THOSE WHO DONT ARE DEFEATED.

“Second, An amendment requiring term limits must be enacted.”

I agree. I would be generous and make it 6 terms for Congress and 3 terms for Senate. While its a lot, it would still get a lot of incumbents out of there.

“No family member of a retired officeholder will be permitted to run for a vacated office” Vote NO on nepotism.

602 posted on 07/19/2009 2:29:56 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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Well said.

603 posted on 07/19/2009 2:31:08 PM PDT by Melas
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To: seekthetruth
There are a few folks who think we need to break laws like the Code Pink folks do to be effective. NOT SO! All we need to do is be present in large numbers, peaceful, and law abiding! The members of Congress and the government are well aware of what is going on.

Correct. And the Congresscritters know that an organized minority beats a disorganized majority any day.

604 posted on 07/19/2009 2:32:12 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: saquin

You’ve got a point there. It may be time for all the weak-kneed big government redcoat loyalists to desert the Liberty Train before it leaves the station for the March D.C.!

605 posted on 07/19/2009 2:40:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter:
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To: saquin


606 posted on 07/19/2009 2:41:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter:
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To: Travis McGee

God forbid these people are represented in our government

607 posted on 07/19/2009 2:41:08 PM PDT by omaba
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To: Jim Robinson
No entitlements. No welfare. No transfer payments. No subsidies. No feel good or do good projects of any kind. No arts, no education, no welfare, no health, no environment, no science, no space, nothing. Nothing that is not expressly authorized.

No space? That's incredibly short sighted Jim. Future wars will be fought from orbit. Let the Chinese continue their space program while we abandon ours and see how that works out down the road.

You might as well join the fruitcakes who think the Air Force is unconstitutional because it's not expressly mentioned in the constitution.

608 posted on 07/19/2009 2:43:23 PM PDT by Melas
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To: saquin

I’m afraid you’re right. What I’m seeing more and more of here is treason in the works.

609 posted on 07/19/2009 2:52:15 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Jim Robinson

On the whole, those in power got there by complying with the Constitution. Bodily throwing them out operates on the wrong side thereof - making them the more Constitutionally-adhering group. I know I’d be drawing the line at someone throwing out my Constitutionally-elected representatives (whom I happen to like as the good guys).

I still think the courts have been grossly under-utilized. File a gazillion suits challenging the Constitutiality of objectionable issues, and force the issues to SCOTUS. As is, we’ve been sitting on our asses hoping someone does that for us.

Bringing DC to a halt via huge crowds of disruptive bodies (A) legitimizes the then-”peaceful” Leftists, and (B) will get a whole lot of people killed, leaving the less aggressive to carry the flame.

The frustration is understandable. A wholesale attempt to bodily “throw the bums out” by installing President Hillary and unilaterally jettisoning amendments to the Constitution in no way could possibly work out well.

610 posted on 07/19/2009 2:52:54 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: Melas

Yup. No space. If you wish the federal government to fund space exploration (for social purposes), all you’ve got to do is pass and ratify a constitutional amendment authorizing it. Now, I might see a reason authorizing federal funds for satellite technology strictly limited to national defense, but not for curious social or commercial undertakings. Those should be funded and explored by private enterprise.

611 posted on 07/19/2009 2:53:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter:
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“To assert that we cannot take our country back via the ballot box is to assert a wrongful disdain for the patriotism and love of freedom of the American people.”

Oh, Bunk!

I guess the work the left is doing to undermine elections doesn’t compute in your pacifist brain, but it is still taking place.

The ‘system’ you are counting on couldn’t even prosecute men with clubs standing just outside a voting location.

What the heck am I worried about, right? No problem here, folks.

Billions to Acorn isn’t making the ballot box more fair, is it?

And let’s put our trust in all but silence, and, by default, the masses to vote against ‘free’ this-’n-that in the next election.

Oh, yeah, that brings me much comfort.

Elections solve everything, folks. Elections brought us Commie and Company, but have no fear, an election is near.


612 posted on 07/19/2009 2:54:01 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: CRBDeuce
I’m trying to see the downside in this

President Hillary, and/or lots of dead FReepers.

613 posted on 07/19/2009 2:55:36 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"The recourse is found in the Declaration of Independence. The Founders gave us clear instructions that Despotic government should be abolished or altered."

Only after a NUMBER of appeals to George III, and only after reform was spurned, did the founders take the course they took.Jefferson also wrote in declaration: "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes.".

It there no other way to effect the ends you propose? Why of COURSE there is: #1) Get every Republican 100% opposed to the Obama agenda. #2) Get the Democrats who are politicians first and socialists second (ie want to survive the next election) to feel the heat. #3) Plan to overturn the Democrat majority in the 2010 elections. #4) Pursue your agenda via peaceful and democratic means.

"The only alteration I’m proposing is repealing the two amendments...."

The Constitutional way of doing that is to get 2/3rds of Congress then 3/4ths of the States to repeal them. Anything else is extra-legal usurpation of our Constitution. If you want to do the law-abiding way - good luck. If you are just goign to by fiat dink around with the Constitution, then you have no place and no right to talk about your respect for it. And while you might dispute the wisdom of direct election of Senators (given that you've got Boxer and Feinstein, uggg), calling that despotism worthy of a revolution is, well, absurd.

If you love the Constitution and our Federal form of Government, then the answer is obvious: Work within this great system of ours to purge it of the malefactors of socialist kleptocracy. Purge the system of Pelosi, Waxman, Boxer, Obama, Reid, and whole left-liberal Democrat clown show that is bankrupting the treasury, destroying healthcare choice, etc.

Leftists think that "The Ends Justify the Means." They are wrong.

"And if we have the support of millions of people and of the sovereign states and the government does NOT meet our demands, then we simply vote the bastards out! Simple!"

Yes, democracy is simple - but not easy. May I suggest a SIMPLE 5 POINT DEMAND. Instead of trying to depose duly elected politicians, or having a long laundry list of things we cant all agree on, demand a SIMPLE 5 POINT "Taxed Enough Already" AGENDA THAT THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS AGREE WITH:






The goal of the 9/12 march needs to be to SHUT DOWN THE LEFTWING SOCIALIST AGENDA ... stopping the 5 items will gut the Obama agenda. if you get one million people making the above demand and MEANING IT ... you will have made the 9/12 march a huge, PEACEFUL and LAWABIDING success!

614 posted on 07/19/2009 2:57:47 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: Boucheau

The alternative to elections, which you seem to hold in such disdain is to let the folks the with the most guns rule the rest of the country. See entry at Rwanda and get back to me if you still think it’s a good idea. Too damned stupid for words.

615 posted on 07/19/2009 2:57:52 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas

“...folks with the with the most guns rule the rest of the country”

Yep, that’s what I said.

Read much?

616 posted on 07/19/2009 3:00:51 PM PDT by Boucheau
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64 million people voted to ‘change’ America away from the one we recognize. It’s not that hard to explain.

Their parents put them in public schools, and paid big bucks for their college indoctrination.
Not hard to explain at all.

617 posted on 07/19/2009 3:05:42 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Lady Liberty is Kitty Genovese, right outside our windows.)
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To: ctdonath2

I think most of the damage done in the last century can be laid at the feet of the so-called progressive or populist movements that gave us the 16th and 17th amendments through which they illegally expanded the powers of the federal government and stole our individual wealth and treasure. Through these vehicles they introduced the income tax, the federal reserve, the Raw Deal, the Progressive Society, the Ruling Class, the professional Victim Class, the Nanny State, the Police State, the Welfare State, the Federal Behemoth, the Federal Beast, etc, etc, etc, and stole our Liberty and, apparently, even our will to resist their evil onslaught.

Our current society of brainwashed wimplings roll over for this tyranny on a daily basis. Prior generations (1700’s, 1800’s) of true red-blooded Americans would have rebelled long before it ever got to today’s totalitarianism!

618 posted on 07/19/2009 3:08:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter:
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To: Jim Robinson

Well every seat in the House of Representatives is up in 2010,I believe a Campaign to “CLEAN OUT THE HOUSE” is in Order ! What do you think Throw all the Bums Out and Lets start over America ,With AMERICAS INTERESTS FOREMOST FOR A CHANGE

619 posted on 07/19/2009 3:09:19 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Boucheau

“No one is fighting back.”

Huh? You missed the protest at Sen McCaskill’s office ... shut down the office. Read up on the ObamaCare protests around the country. People are fighting back through peaceful protests.

620 posted on 07/19/2009 3:16:09 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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