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If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Prior thread ^ | July 18, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

* * R O U G H * * D R A F T * *

(continuing my remarks from prior thread)

Here is our recourse as declared by our Founding Fathers:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.

Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

We have reached the point where the government's long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.

Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.

An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:

The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.

An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.

A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.

Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.

We alter the government to provide new Guards for our future security as follows:

The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended. The government has stretched the constitutional limits well beyond those intended by our founders. We must take steps to ensure that this is corrected and that the out of control government is reined in and that sufficient measures are introduced to maintain the limits, checks and balances on government and that government powers are strictly limited to those enumerated in the constitution and that our rights are reestablished, reaffirmed, re-secured and safeguarded. We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.

As we restore constitutionally limited government several wrongs must be righted:

The central government has illegally expanded its powers. They've done this by ignoring or stretching their constitutional limits. They have usurped powers limited to the states and the people. We must reestablish and reaffirm the enumerated powers and limit the central government strictly to just those powers. They've built huge power bases by allowing senators and representatives to be full time professional career positions. We eliminate this by establishing strict qualifications for office and term limits.

We must reestablish and reaffirm the powers to the states and the people as defined by the 9th and 10th amendments.

The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders. This was never intended to be a function of the people. We the People are represented to the central government by our elected representatives in the House of Representatives. The sovereign states were to be represented by the state's senators to keep central powers and encroachment in check. Power is from the people to the states, and from the states to the central government. They've turned this upside down and inside out. We must correct it.

We hereby repeal the 17th amendment.

The central government has expanded well beyond the limits established for it by the founders and pay for that expansion by directly taxing the people and severely restricting our rights through an enslaving income tax.

We hereby repeal the 16th amendment.

The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.

The newly elected congress will establish rules and schedules for assessing and collecting fees, tariffs and excise taxes to support the armed forces and all constitutionally authorized departments of The United States Government per the Constitution of the United States (see schedule).

The central government is hereby stripped of all illegal powers and all departments and agencies not authorized by the constitution are hereby dissolved and disbanded. Their current budgets are hereby withdrawn. All disbanded department funds and liquid assets are to be immediately returned to the US Treasury. A list and methods for achieving this is provided in schedule xxx.

Ownership and responsibility for all federally held buildings, lands, parks, waterways, oceans, seas, etc, other than those in Washington, D.C. or military bases, forts, reservations, or local federal buildings owned by valid constitutional federal departments (see schedule) are hereby transferred to the sovereign state governments within which they reside or are located.

Responsibility for all natural resources found within any of the various states or within lands, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterways, seas out through our international boundary limits are hereby returned to the various states. All laws for mining, drilling, logging, or otherwise capitalizing on any minerals or natural resources are to be determined by the various states within which said resources are found.

The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed. All social security funds being held by the federal government are to be returned to the private retirement accounts of the individuals owning them. A special fund will be establish for all current recipients and new recipients according to schedule xxy and the social security system shall be phased out accordingly. The funds to support current social security benefits shall become the responsibility of the states within which the recipients reside.

No revenues accruing to the federal government shall be disbursed to any state, city or local government for any reason whatsoever. Or used to subsidize or benefit any government or private entity, organization or person, other than those explicitly authorized and enumerated in the constitution.

All states are hereby solely responsible for any and all revenues or funds required to operate their sovereign states. The central government is not obligated to and shall not interfere in state government or local affairs.

The interstate commerce clause shall be applied strictly to regulating interstate commerce as originally established and intended by our founders. No stretches or reinterpretations of any kind shall be allowed.

Our first unalienable right is the right to life. Protecting Life and Liberty shall be of paramount importance to our central government. Roe v Wade and all congressional acts, regulations, court opinions allowing legalized abortion or the taking of innocent human life are hereby rescinded, overruled, repealed, nullified and voided. Life is fully protected by the U.S. Government.

The Federal Reserve.

Border security.


FAA, FDA, FCC, various federal ABC departments agencies and agencies. Which to close, which to remake with constitutional limits and authority, etc.

Federal Pensions.

Etc, etc, etc.

Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.

This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government's ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.

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To: ICCtheWay
They will not risk violence - as long as we are being Civilly Disobedient - Non Violent - there is nothing much to be done...

Ever hear of the Bonus March. They set the Army, under MacArthur, Patton and Eisenhower, to put that down. Which they did, with horses, sabers, and tanks. The bonus marchers weren't even blocking traffic, IIRC.

441 posted on 07/18/2009 11:12:58 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Or paving the roads, with asphalt, in the summer, in Texas...

Oh, that's so mean! :-P I like it.

442 posted on 07/18/2009 11:17:22 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (It takes a viking to raze a village!)
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To: jessduntno
that wasn’t public and there weren’t a million of ‘em

Live on national TV isn't public? I live in Texas, now as then, but I saw the events of April 19th on TV from a hotel room in suburban Boston, not 20 miles from Lexington and Concord. Patriot Day events were then ongoing even as Mt. Carmel burned.

443 posted on 07/18/2009 11:22:31 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: dschapin

“Instead we need to be recruiting angry citizens to run for Congress and Senate against the incumbants in 2010. We need to throw massive amounts of money and time into ensuring that patriots replace all of the politicians who support Obama’s unconstitutional policies.”

More then 440 comments and finally someone comes up with the best idea.

Grassroots conservative participation in the local elections built organizations that grew to elect state and federal candidates. It takes patience and is not as glamorous and entertaining as bantering about a revolt, but it is truly the effective and Constituional way.

444 posted on 07/18/2009 11:28:48 PM PDT by awake-n-angry
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To: Jim Robinson

Hell...They’ll be fired...anybody fired can’t draw unemployment.

Besides..there won’t be anybody to write ‘em a check.

States won’t write ‘em one. Hell, I wouldn’t hire a politician what can they do...steal? That’s all they know.

445 posted on 07/18/2009 11:45:55 PM PDT by bobaloobob (bobaloobob)
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To: Melas
Sigh. I guess it’s time. I don’t know if I changed or Free Republic changed, although I suspect the latter. Either way, I’m not on board for any of this. I don’t want any part of rebellion, even speculatively.

This country was started with a rebellion against "duely constituted authority". Thomas Jefferson expected a little rebellion now and again, to keep the politicians "honest" as it were.

The man wrote the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson also wrote:

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

446 posted on 07/18/2009 11:53:23 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: KTM rider
because the founders knew this was bound to happen and that "peaceful means" would be futile ?

Sure, but they also spoke of what we would call "deterance". That is that the existance of an armed populace would deter the worst abuses. Looks like the may have been wrong. We've got upwards of 80 million armed Americans, guns are flying off the shelves, people are stocking up on massive amounts of ammunition, and still the clueless continue the march to Tyranny.

Of course the British didn't pay attention to all those Rubes in the Hinterland either. Boy were they wrong.

447 posted on 07/19/2009 12:01:44 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Jim Robinson
Wow, Jim. Reading this is like eating fresh honey: slow, and most easy on the palette. You convey a convincing sense of motion, of inertia, of getting the proverbial ball rolling.

Yes, I wish to contribute my meager gifts using any effectual means at my disposal. Big picture: "Save America" Strategy: "baby steps", pragmatic measures.

448 posted on 07/19/2009 12:18:42 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: central_va
"Secession" if a pipe-dream. Some States are talking about it, but that's all they do is talk. It simply won't happen.

However, if you want rallies/demonstrations/protests to have ANY publicity and impact, then be prepared to spend a night in jail.

Constitutional civil disobedience is an end to a new beginning.

449 posted on 07/19/2009 12:31:31 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: ICCtheWay
if we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do? Millions would be great- but a million will do nicely ...

I suggest that the vast million or so march quietly on Washington--The sound of a million boots on the pavement. The marchers then silently hold a "Sit In"... And after a specified period of time. Silently move out, again the boots marching in unison along the pavement.

The message being: Next Time it will not be a silent march...

450 posted on 07/19/2009 12:33:25 AM PDT by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: Jim Robinson
It is a rallying point, a "movement" if you will, to give voice to the angry peasants (us) who remember America. And not a whit too soon. I hope some of us will contribute.

To all:

Just complaining about how bad things are and reminiscing on the "good ole days" isn't going to effect change. Jim, as the founder of FR and in a unique position to do so, has kicked the snowball ball rolling here, and it's up to us to build upon it. Remember the pen is mightier than the sword, and now is the time to put all of our gifts - in law, in economics, in American history, in prosaic art, in vision to the future - to real, effective use. You want to make a DIFFERENCE, this is a real chance to do so: by using your talents to help forge the VISION.

Remember, if you will, the inspiration of the Contract with America many years ago. This is like that, and it comes at a time when conservatives, seeking a PERSON, really need a VISION or IDEA around which to rally. The PERSON will come in due time.

Everybody on board?

451 posted on 07/19/2009 12:33:33 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: reasonisfaith; Winstons Julia; Jim Robinson; Neil E. Wright
"Put forth in a way that makes it real and stirs emotions."

Yes, bring it home to Joe-Soccor-Mom so they can understand what they are losing in their little self-absorbed world. Make it very plain and easily understood what they are losing almost weekly because they voted for some "cool" guy. Let them know in the plainest of terms how the erosion of Constitutional rights will eventually affect them.

452 posted on 07/19/2009 12:40:18 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson
The toughest pill is this: Federal Pensions. Many who have served in the Military and who have worked in intelligence and other national defense positions have worked at Federal Jobs which "provide for the common Defense", a Constitutionally mandated duty of the Federal Government. Some of these people could have made more in the private sector, some were prevented from going there by the government. I think the litmus test for Federal Pensions should be one of whether the job entailed duties which are Constitutionally the province of the Federal Government.

I am not including the exhorbitant pensions of the Congress, nor the lifelong benefits package they have voted themselves, either.

453 posted on 07/19/2009 1:02:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Jim Robinson

We don’t have The Iranian Spirit to march against our rulers.

I am so old I recall it used to be called the American Spirit.

Or the Spirit of 1776.

Heck, I remember the saying, “safe as a baby in its mothers womb too!”

Well, I digress, anyone know who won Dancing with the Stars this week ?

454 posted on 07/19/2009 4:11:24 AM PDT by NoLibZone (North Korea? The only buildings in Hawaii at risk of destruction are those housing Obama's records!)
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To: Mariner

“The political establishment MUST fear the people.”

How right you are concerning this.

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve or obtain liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.”

It isn’t the use of this force, but the willingness to use it that strikes fear in the tyrants heart.

455 posted on 07/19/2009 4:58:11 AM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: Mariner

“The political establishment MUST fear the people.”

How right you are concerning this.

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve or obtain liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.”

It isn’t the use of this force, but the willingness to use it that strikes fear in the tyrants heart.

456 posted on 07/19/2009 4:58:53 AM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: usconservative

Well said, I’d co-sign that.

457 posted on 07/19/2009 5:47:41 AM PDT by KTM rider ( revolution is the only thing that can save us now)
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To: Jim Robinson

A few more for the wish list...

If it hasn’t been mentioned yet, stop funding of the U.N. Rescind “diplomatic immunity.” All people legally in the United States should be subject to our laws. No exceptions. Just as we are subject to theirs.

Also, cease foreign aid “loan guarantees” and cash assistance. We should not be “bribing” other countries to behave with taxpayer money, nor guaranteeing loans that they may take out against the United States’ “full faith and credit.”

The example we set in the world should be enough for other countries to want to follow our lead. If they require cash/loan guarantees to do so, they’re really not our allies.

458 posted on 07/19/2009 5:52:15 AM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: Jim Robinson
“No we’re not going to go armed. That’d be nutz.”

I worry having that many unarmed Patriots in one place might be too tempting for Obama to resist. We might be used as an example to the rest of the nation.

I can hear it now, “Let me make this VERY clear, go against the authority invested in me and....”

459 posted on 07/19/2009 5:58:12 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: CodeToad

Why shouldn’t they have the opportunity? Many of these folks want to fight for freedom but don’t see that as likely if they join their home armies. Others want to earn citizenship, and I can’t think of a better way of doing it.

Should Von Steuben and Pulaski have stayed home?

460 posted on 07/19/2009 6:10:01 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're definitely in the Rise of the Empire era, but is Obama Valorum or Palpatine?)
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