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Posted on 02/22/2009 5:02:19 PM PST by patriotgal1787
WASHINGTON – A U.S. senator has weighed in on the continuing controversy over Barack Obama's eligibility for office by saying he has never seen proof the new president was actually born in Hawaii.
"Well, his father was Kenyan and they said he was born in Hawaii, but I haven't seen any birth certificate," Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., told constituents in Cullman County. "You have to be born in America to be president."
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So? The short form COLB that he posted on the internet, physical copies of which he permitted reporters to inspect at his campaign headquarters, is just as valid for the purposes for proving he was born in the United States.
There are the birth announcements in two Honolulu papers. Both papers are on record that they got birth announcements directly from the Hawaii department of Health, so the birther claim that his granny could have phoned them in doesn't hold any water.
There's the fact that a family friend, who was his English teacher, remembers hearing of his birth in Hawaii when it happened.
There's the fact that his Kenyan relatives all confirm that he was in Kenya for the first time in the late 1970's.
There's his Kenyan step-grandmother, who is on record that she received notice of his birth in Hawaii via a letter from Obama Sr in 1961. And no, she never said he was born in Kenya, despite Berg's attempts to twist her words.
There's the sheer impluasibility that his pregnant mother would fly to Kenya in 1961. It's highly doubtful she could even afford it, nor is there any reason to believe her husband would want to take her to Kenya. Quite the opposite: we know Bambi's grandpa disapproved of BHO Sr.'s marraige to a white woman, and we also know he was hiding from Bambi's mother that he was bigamist. It just plain absurd to think either of them would want to go to Kenya in 1961.
Finally, there's the complete lack of any evidence he was born in Kenya.
Taken together, that's a moutain of evidence, and that's why no one outside the tinfoil hat crowd is questioning his birthplace.
No it is not just a valid.
This debate is for losers without the vault copy.
That said, our Presidency should not be subjected to a hunch by you are any of those you have been dancing around with here.
So go ahead, break your neck trying to convince people.
I laugh at you just like I laugh at anybody who thinks they know for sure if OJ killed Nicole or not...it's retarded.
If the glove fits you must acquit. Carry on oh opinionated one. Bwahahaha!
A friend of mine just told me that CNN aired info on Senator Shelby TODAY and he ‘supposedly’ said (or was quoted as saying) that we need to see Obama’s birth certificate to verify where he was born and that he is a U.S. citizen. I Googled “CNN Shelby” and found nothing recent on Shelby except for his comments on the Stimulus Package from 2/8/09. My friend is a a very credible source and not one to stretch the truth. Anyone hear of this ?
Completely incorrect! Obama’s own grandmother claims that she was present when he was born in Kenya.
WHERE was Obama born in Hawaii? Where? .... He was born in Kenya.
All of you are reading the wrong constitution. It goes like this:
However, The Naturalization Act of 1790 was repealed and replaced with the Media Election Act of Nov 3, 2008.
You’ll notice in the excerpt of the Act of 2008, Section 3, that Kenyan children born overseas are not called “Kenyans” overseas anymore but are only called “future presidents of the United States.”
“SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within Kenya, and being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of Kenya born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States. Provided, that the right of citizenship shall descend on persons whose fathers are horny passers-by looking for sex in Hawaii. Any person heretofore proscribed by Illinois, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Saul Alinsky during the Vietnam War, shall be admitted as foresaid, without the consent of the CNN, NBC, MSNBC, The New York Times, CBS and the LA TIMES . “
See? All better.
Yes it is. It's sufficient to prove birth location in any court. It's also sufficient to get a US passport. What more do you want?
I laugh at you just like I laugh at anybody who thinks they know for sure if OJ killed Nicole or not...it's retarded.
LOL. So you think OJ is innocent? Okay. I guess there's no arguing with you.
No she doesn't. I've listened to the tape in its entirety. Have you?
Just in case you haven't, here it is:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/8167169.wma
WHERE was Obama born in Hawaii? Where? .... He was born in Kenya.
You've got it backwards. Listen to the tape. "Bishop" McRea asks her "where was Obama born in Kenya?" She answers "No, he was born in America."
Listen to it for yourself. Don't rely on what some 9-11 truther says about it.
Now go back to your mindless certainty and let me be.
... and NO, the registrar's stamp does not act as this "eye witness" Certifying Official present at the time of birth, as we do NOT know what Mr. Onaka is exactly certifying in the (only) THIRTEEN blocks of data on the "CertificaTION of Live Birth" when he states: "I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file at the Hawaii State Department of Health." TREAT THAT STAMP as if it were a Notary Stamp, where the Notary attests to the fact that the person signing the document IS who he SAYS he is; it DOESN'T necessarily mean the document is true or accurate! This is IMPORTANT, too, because Obama's form states in the bottom lefthand corner: "Date FILED by Registrar" vs. "Date ACCEPTED by State Registrar" as we see on OTHER examples of "CerticaTION of Live Birth" on the internet.
Sun Yat-sen, Chinese revolutionary and political leader often referred to as the "Father of Modern China," was able to file a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” application and immigrate to the US in 1904 using the COHB form in such a similar manner (the COHB program was terminated in 1972, but many of the loopholes still exist):
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html
“Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.”
In the case of BHO, an independent certifying witness is pretty important. If it turns out his mother filed an affidavit of some format, say on a "Certificate of LATE Birth" as the “root document,” well, I dare say the anti-Obama attorneys will have a “field day” with that “root document.” Tearing apart Ann's “affidavit testimony” should be a rather easy task based upon other court-entered prima facia from both divorces in Hawaii, possessing many inconsistencies and errors in fact... Yes, it's rather easy with Hawaiian Rule 902 & 903 regarding evidence and testimony to provide Berg, Taitz, Pidgeon, and others much "opportunity" to "discredit the witness" Ann Dunham, IMO.
Here's an example "Certificate of Late Birth" from Arkansas (note that a half-brother "having knowledge of birth" is the "certifying official" [weaker prima facia]):
Edith Coats here, who was born in Hawaii, has an “independent” certifying official witness on her COLB (Dr Noda was the attending physician, affirming “I certify that this child was born alive on the date and hour stated”):
Alan here, an "Army brat" born in Hawaii, has an “independent” certifying witness (a Capt M.D.) who affirmed “I certify that this child was born alive on the date and hour stated.”
Even “the King” has someone certifying his birth in 1937 in Tupelo, Mississippi:
“I certify that I attended the birth of this child who was born alive at 11:35 am on the date Jan 8, 1935” signed W. R. Hurst, M.D.:
Note that the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth form REQUIRES the “the Attending,” be it a doctor or some other official act as certifying official of the events of the birth (blocks 9-13) :
BHO's original form would NOT have used THIS US form, as it wasn't in existence until 1972 when the law required the U.S. Social Security Administration to issue Social Security numbers and to obtain more stringent evidence of age and citizenship or alien status and identity. However, based on the Hawaiian "CertificATEs of Live Birth" above, a Block for the Certifying Official would still be present, as well as the hospital, and if any information is in Block 23: "Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alteration".
Now, if you're willing to blindly accept the current COLB he's offered via Fact Check (LOL), with all the known loopholes it is vulnerable to via Hawaiian Law as well as the specifics of his early childhood, then Vladimir Lenin's phrase "useful idiot" might just pertain to you...
Great work BP2.
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