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To: curiosity; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...
The problem with BHO’s laserjet-printed "CertificaTION of Live Birth" is that there's no certifying official that we can see who witnessed the events of his birth. Because Hawaii law allows the state to accept a COLB from even a foreign country, and convert it to a Hawaiian COLB, it is reasonable to skeptical a Form that has no certifying official listed as irrefutable PROOF of BHO's NBC status:


... and NO, the registrar's stamp does not act as this "eye witness" Certifying Official present at the time of birth, as we do NOT know what Mr. Onaka is exactly certifying in the (only) THIRTEEN blocks of data on the "CertificaTION of Live Birth" when he states: "I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file at the Hawaii State Department of Health." TREAT THAT STAMP as if it were a Notary Stamp, where the Notary attests to the fact that the person signing the document IS who he SAYS he is; it DOESN'T necessarily mean the document is true or accurate! This is IMPORTANT, too, because Obama's form states in the bottom lefthand corner: "Date FILED by Registrar" vs. "Date ACCEPTED by State Registrar" as we see on OTHER examples of "CerticaTION of Live Birth" on the internet.


Sun Yat-sen, Chinese revolutionary and political leader often referred to as the "Father of Modern China," was able to file a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” application and immigrate to the US in 1904 using the COHB form in such a similar manner (the COHB program was terminated in 1972, but many of the loopholes still exist):
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html
“Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.”

In the case of BHO, an independent certifying witness is pretty important. If it turns out his mother filed an affidavit of some format, say on a "Certificate of LATE Birth" as the “root document,” well, I dare say the anti-Obama attorneys will have a “field day” with that “root document.” Tearing apart Ann's “affidavit testimony” should be a rather easy task based upon other court-entered prima facia from both divorces in Hawaii, possessing many inconsistencies and errors in fact... Yes, it's rather easy with Hawaiian Rule 902 & 903 regarding evidence and testimony to provide Berg, Taitz, Pidgeon, and others much "opportunity" to "discredit the witness" Ann Dunham, IMO.

Here's an example "Certificate of Late Birth" from Arkansas (note that a half-brother "having knowledge of birth" is the "certifying official" [weaker prima facia]):


Edith Coats here, who was born in Hawaii, has an “independent” certifying official witness on her COLB (Dr Noda was the attending physician, affirming “I certify that this child was born alive on the date and hour stated”):


Alan here, an "Army brat" born in Hawaii, has an “independent” certifying witness (a Capt M.D.) who affirmed “I certify that this child was born alive on the date and hour stated.”


Even “the King” has someone certifying his birth in 1937 in Tupelo, Mississippi:
“I certify that I attended the birth of this child who was born alive at 11:35 am on the date Jan 8, 1935” signed W. R. Hurst, M.D.:


Note that the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth form REQUIRES the “the Attending,” be it a doctor or some other official act as certifying official of the events of the birth (blocks 9-13) :


BHO's original form would NOT have used THIS US form, as it wasn't in existence until 1972 when the law required the U.S. Social Security Administration to issue Social Security numbers and to obtain more stringent evidence of age and citizenship or alien status and identity. However, based on the Hawaiian "CertificATEs of Live Birth" above, a Block for the Certifying Official would still be present, as well as the hospital, and if any information is in Block 23: "Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alteration".


No, I could care less about his APGAR Score... BUT because there's is SO much controversy regarding Obama's COLB, I AM very interested to verify the location and time/date recorded by the Certifying Official/Attendant of his COLB. Forgive me for not accepting "Fact Check" and "Snopes" as the subject experts on this matter...

Now, if you're willing to blindly accept the current COLB he's offered via Fact Check (LOL), with all the known loopholes it is vulnerable to via Hawaiian Law as well as the specifics of his early childhood, then Vladimir Lenin's phrase "useful idiot" might just pertain to you...

294 posted on 02/24/2009 1:37:22 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Great work BP2.


295 posted on 02/24/2009 2:33:59 AM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: BP2
There is undoubtedly something on Obama's vault-copy birth certificate that he doesn't want the Amnerican People to see.

However, Obama is not a "natural born citizen," and therefore ineligible to serve as POTUS -- no matter what is or isn't on that document.

Natural Born Citizen -- The Law


296 posted on 02/24/2009 3:35:29 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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Outstanding work BP2! Thank God we still have attorneys in this nation willing to stand and FIGHT for our constitution!


303 posted on 02/24/2009 4:29:48 AM PST by conservativegramma
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BP2....I salute you!


305 posted on 02/24/2009 5:43:03 AM PST by FlashBack ('0'bama: "Katrina on a Global Level")
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To: BP2; Polarik
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK in posting these documents. It nails all of those who think that a hollow piece of paper should be accepted only within the context of the Hawaiian adminsitrative process for delayed birth registrations. The context is that of a superior federal document, the US constitution.

Being dejure found " Born in Hawaii" does not satisfy the defacto requirements of Article II, section 1 of the US Constitution.That is the position that our Supreme Court, Dubyah,and various state Sec. States have taken. They will not look behind the process of Hawaiian birth registration. They conclude that dejure is defacto. THAT IS WRONG in terms of what Aricle II requires of a president.

Many Freepers are way too slow to grasp that fact.

307 posted on 02/24/2009 6:31:19 AM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: BP2; justiceseeker93; celtic gal; freekitty; TXRed; oswegodeee; SoldierDad; flat; unkus; ...

PING, share with others. Anyone wonder why no one discusses this including talk show hosts?


309 posted on 02/24/2009 7:27:30 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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Thanks BP2 for the ping


311 posted on 02/24/2009 7:34:24 AM PST by katiekins1 (pelosi =Skanka Potumus)
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To: BP2
Thanks so much for the ping ... I enjoyed the cogent presentation, though it is doubtful the obamanoids will get anything out of it, they would have to use mental acuity, which they appear to lack.
313 posted on 02/24/2009 7:40:50 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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Thanks BP for your work...It was well worth the time it took to download on my dial-up.

BTW. Have been thinking: In teaching as other professions there is a law requiring an individual to report someone who breaks a law dealing with a child.

Is there any type of law that would require a public official to report an individual that is manipulating the law for their own gain. ....A clerk perhaps in the record bureau required to report someone using the clerk’s office to circumvent the law.

322 posted on 02/24/2009 8:54:41 AM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: BP2
Forgive me for not accepting "Fact Check" and "Snopes" as the subject experts on this matter...

Thanks, BP2. BTT.

345 posted on 02/24/2009 11:31:56 AM PST by LucyT
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#294- Great job BP2. Thank you. My birth certificate and everyone else in my family, looks like those. Nothing like that crap zer0 wants us to believe it all that he needs. Bottom line is this, there are court cases, citizens have concerns, military has concerns, if he a shred of decency(which he doesn’t) and he cared about the citizens, why does he fight it? You can only draw 2 conclusions. 1. He is hiding something 2. He is the most arrogant as*hole that ever walked the face of this earth and gets his jollies out of giving Americans the middle finger and daring them to *make me show it*


356 posted on 02/24/2009 3:07:21 PM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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