[curiosity]

Not a single person has viewed his vault copy.

So? The short form COLB that he posted on the internet, physical copies of which he permitted reporters to inspect at his campaign headquarters, is just as valid for the purposes for proving he was born in the United States.

There are the birth announcements in two Honolulu papers. Both papers are on record that they got birth announcements directly from the Hawaii department of Health, so the birther claim that his granny could have phoned them in doesn't hold any water.

There's the fact that a family friend, who was his English teacher, remembers hearing of his birth in Hawaii when it happened.

There's the fact that his Kenyan relatives all confirm that he was in Kenya for the first time in the late 1970's.

There's his Kenyan step-grandmother, who is on record that she received notice of his birth in Hawaii via a letter from Obama Sr in 1961. And no, she never said he was born in Kenya, despite Berg's attempts to twist her words.

There's the sheer impluasibility that his pregnant mother would fly to Kenya in 1961. It's highly doubtful she could even afford it, nor is there any reason to believe her husband would want to take her to Kenya. Quite the opposite: we know Bambi's grandpa disapproved of BHO Sr.'s marraige to a white woman, and we also know he was hiding from Bambi's mother that he was bigamist. It just plain absurd to think either of them would want to go to Kenya in 1961.

Finally, there's the complete lack of any evidence he was born in Kenya.

Taken together, that's a moutain of evidence, and that's why no one outside the tinfoil hat crowd is questioning his birthplace.

[Earthdweller]

The short form COLB that he posted on the internet, physical copies of which he permitted reporters to inspect at his campaign headquarters, is just as valid for the purposes for proving he was born in the United States.

No it is not just a valid.

This debate is for losers without the vault copy.

That said, our Presidency should not be subjected to a hunch by you are any of those you have been dancing around with here.

So go ahead, break your neck trying to convince people.

I laugh at you just like I laugh at anybody who thinks they know for sure if OJ killed Nicole or not...it's retarded.

If the glove fits you must acquit. Carry on oh opinionated one. Bwahahaha!

[BP2]

The problem with BHO’s laserjet-printed "CertificaTION of Live Birth" is that there's no certifying official that we can see who witnessed the events of his birth. Because Hawaii law allows the state to accept a COLB from even a foreign country, and convert it to a Hawaiian COLB, it is reasonable to skeptical a Form that has no certifying official listed as irrefutable PROOF of BHO's NBC status:


... and NO, the registrar's stamp does not act as this "eye witness" Certifying Official present at the time of birth, as we do NOT know what Mr. Onaka is exactly certifying in the (only) THIRTEEN blocks of data on the "CertificaTION of Live Birth" when he states: "I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file at the Hawaii State Department of Health." TREAT THAT STAMP as if it were a Notary Stamp, where the Notary attests to the fact that the person signing the document IS who he SAYS he is; it DOESN'T necessarily mean the document is true or accurate! This is IMPORTANT, too, because Obama's form states in the bottom lefthand corner: "Date FILED by Registrar" vs. "Date ACCEPTED by State Registrar" as we see on OTHER examples of "CerticaTION of Live Birth" on the internet.

Sun Yat-sen, Chinese revolutionary and political leader often referred to as the "Father of Modern China," was able to file a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” application and immigrate to the US in 1904 using the COHB form in such a similar manner (the COHB program was terminated in 1972, but many of the loopholes still exist):
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html
“Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.”

In the case of BHO, an independent certifying witness is pretty important. If it turns out his mother filed an affidavit of some format, say on a "Certificate of LATE Birth" as the “root document,” well, I dare say the anti-Obama attorneys will have a “field day” with that “root document.” Tearing apart Ann's “affidavit testimony” should be a rather easy task based upon other court-entered prima facia from both divorces in Hawaii, possessing many inconsistencies and errors in fact... Yes, it's rather easy with Hawaiian Rule 902 & 903 regarding evidence and testimony to provide Berg, Taitz, Pidgeon, and others much "opportunity" to "discredit the witness" Ann Dunham, IMO.

Here's an example "Certificate of Late Birth" from Arkansas (note that a half-brother "having knowledge of birth" is the "certifying official" [weaker prima facia]):

Edith Coats here, who was born in Hawaii, has an “independent” certifying official witness on her COLB (Dr Noda was the attending physician, affirming “I certify that this child was born alive on the date and hour stated”):

Alan here, an "Army brat" born in Hawaii, has an “independent” certifying witness (a Capt M.D.) who affirmed “I certify that this child was born alive on the date and hour stated.”

Even “the King” has someone certifying his birth in 1937 in Tupelo, Mississippi:
“I certify that I attended the birth of this child who was born alive at 11:35 am on the date Jan 8, 1935” signed W. R. Hurst, M.D.:

Note that the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth form REQUIRES the “the Attending,” be it a doctor or some other official act as certifying official of the events of the birth (blocks 9-13) :

BHO's original form would NOT have used THIS US form, as it wasn't in existence until 1972 when the law required the U.S. Social Security Administration to issue Social Security numbers and to obtain more stringent evidence of age and citizenship or alien status and identity. However, based on the Hawaiian "CertificATEs of Live Birth" above, a Block for the Certifying Official would still be present, as well as the hospital, and if any information is in Block 23: "Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alteration".

No, I could care less about his APGAR Score... BUT because there's is SO much controversy regarding Obama's COLB, I AM very interested to verify the location and time/date recorded by the Certifying Official/Attendant of his COLB. Forgive me for not accepting "Fact Check" and "Snopes" as the subject experts on this matter...

Now, if you're willing to blindly accept the current COLB he's offered via Fact Check (LOL), with all the known loopholes it is vulnerable to via Hawaiian Law as well as the specifics of his early childhood, then Vladimir Lenin's phrase "useful idiot" might just pertain to you...