Posted on 03/10/2004 6:10:11 AM PST by vannrox
Anthropologists Hail Romania Fossil Find
Sat Mar 6,11:27 AM ET
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By ALISON MUTLER, Associated Press Writer
BUCHAREST, Romania - Experts analyzing remains of a man, woman and teenage boy unearthed in Romania last year are convinced that the 35,000 year-old fossils are the most complete ever of modern humans of that era, a U.S. scientist said Saturday.
International scientists have been carrying out further analysis to get a clearer picture on the find, said anthropologist Erik Trinkaus, of Washington University in St. Louis. But it's already clear that, "this is the most complete collection of modern humans in Europe older than 28,000 years," he told The Associated Press.
"We are very excited about it," said Trinkaus on the telephone, adding that the discovery of in a cave in southwestern Romania "is already changing perceptions about modern humans."
Romanian recreational cavers unearthed the remains of three facial bones last year, and gave them to Romanian scientists.
Romanian scientists asked Trinkaus to analyze the fossils, and he traveled to the Romanian city of Cluj this week with Portuguese scientist Joao Zilhao, a fossil specialist.
Trinkaus said a jawbone belonged to a man aged about 35. He said part of a skull and remains of a face including teeth belonged to a 14- to 15-year-old male and a temporal bone to a woman of unspecified age.
"This was 25,000 years before agriculture. Certainly they were hunters," said Trinkaus. He said the bones were discovered in the foothills of the Carpathian Mountains.
Trinkaus said the humans would have had religious beliefs, used stone tools, and a well-defined social system and lived in a period in during which early modern humans overlapped with late surviving Neanderthals in Europe, Trinkaus said.
Scientists will not give the exact location for the cave, but Trinkaus said it the humans survived because the area was "ecologically variable."
"It was close to the Banat plain and close to the mountains. They didn't have to travel more than 50 kilometers (30 miles)," to hunt, he said.
A team of international scientists from the United States, Norway, Portugal and Britain will carry out more field work in the summer in the cave and surrounding area this summer, Trinkaus said.
All of the ocean's water was not in the atmosphere. The Bible also refers to opening the fountains of the deep. So the flood consisted of both an upwelling of water as well as the rain for 40 days.
It's just a theory. Possibilities include different solar factors and atmospheric content. Nobody has built a working model yet. So nobody is going to explain it to you.
I'm going to answer this one point and then I mean it, you're dismissed. The useful range is some small integer multiple of the half-life of the parent element in the dating technique. You might want to read "Radiometric Dating, a Christian Perspective," if anyone ever links it for you.
(BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! It's been linked for you twenty times by now and you don't know one word in it.)
New bookmark created: "DannyTN dumb-dumbing on old C14." Next thread, I want to see you remembering and anticipating some counterarguments and not just trolling for suckers.
How's that?
When my cat died in my arms, I cried like a baby for days, and made sure she had a decent burial, not just tossed into the dirt.
Respect for the dead springs from respect for the living; it springs from love for those who lived. It doesn't take "religion" for someone to care about someone else. All it takes is humanity. Heck, it doesn't even take humanity. Years ago, my father pointed out a place on the exit ramp from the West Side Highway near the GWB, where a dog had been hit by a car and killed. He said that for several days after, the dog's mate stood there, forlorn, refusing to leave, standing guard, doubtless hoping for a recovery.
It doesn't even take humanity to care for another, dead or alive. All it takes is a wee bit of sentience.
If you didn't believe in souls, then a dead body would just be a useless pile of meat
What a cold, lonely view of life.
Have you ever cared about anyone? Anyone who died?
In the days leading up to my cat's death, she was very ill. I was dripping fluids into her via a needle, it was a very hard time for us to see her going through it, but we were still hoping for a recovery, having had cats nearly that ill before, who had made full recoveries.
During this time, the other cats took turns sitting with her, one on each side, pressed up against her. One of them was a cat that was always up till that point (and since that point) an extremely timid cat, who would not socialize with any cats. He loves people, but he is afraid of cats.
He spent more time cuddled up next to her than any of the others. It was the most amazing thing I'd ever seen. He would sit there with her for hours on end, keeping her warm, keeping her company.
As I understand it, the Earth's rotation speed is gradually slowing, with the day's length gradually increasing, and at some point in the distant past, the day length was about 12 hours.
The increased rate of spin at that point in time would have resulted in an increase in centrifugal force -- more at the equator, of course, and less as you go toward the poles.
I don't know how much of an increase there would have been, but if it was significant, it could explain the larger plants, since increased centrifugal force = reduced effective gravity.
A whole lot of ice comets in LEO, orbiting just above the atmosphere, maybe like the rings on the gas giants (except ice instead of rock)?
I'm not saying that happened of course, just trying to speculate on an answer that would fit your question.
That's why I only have a 3 cell Maglite. I'd hate for anyone to get the wrong idea. Now, if only I could find a source for 3.6 volt bulbs, I'd be able to use Nicads in it.
Well twice anyway. I've read most of it.
He acknowedges multiple times problems with various radiometric dating techniques although he keeps coming back to "if you just use two or more". He claims K-Argon dating is the only one that doesn't have an original source amount of daughter element problem. But that's not true, Argon does have a daughter element problem. But he generally dismissed the daughter element problem as not being that big of a concern. He might be convinced, but I'm not convinced at all. And yes, I'm aware that there are multiple radiometric techniques, but they all have similar assumptions that make them work. If the assumptions are wrong, the method fails. And given the real life examples where things were dated at extreme age that were known to be young, I remain skeptical.
And after our discussion on Carbon dating, I'm definitely not convinced that contamination isn't a problem for items less than 50,000 years old but is a problem for items more than 50,000 years old. That just reeks of illogic to me. Especially in light of the half life of carbon 14.
Accidentally overlooked this. Let's say for argument's sake a coal sample formed from plants that lived during the middle of the Carboniferous, 320 million years ago. For an element with a half-life in the 6K year range, the original amount of carbon 14 has been cut in half about 51 thousand times. The expected amount of carbon 14 is thus zero. Well, 100 times zero is still zero, but ICR doesn't have to deal with that.
If you take some original non-zero but quite limited amount and halve it 51 thousand times, you get a non-zero amount. Nevertheless, this amount will be far below what any instrument can detect. That's where ICR gets their whiz-bang multiple of 100 and it's bogus.
What we are seeing is that the real number line is continuous and non-granular, but atoms are discontinuous and granular. The expected amount of C14 remaining in a modest-sized chunk of coal would be zero if there were no contamination. Any amount of contamination at all is in fact an infinite multiple of the "expected" value.
I repeat that there is a tiny noise floor and nothing more. The multiple looks large if you're willing to be deceptive about it.
At age 14, I just think it's a little young for carbon to be "dating", anonymously or not.
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