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35,000 year old "modern human" remains Discovered!
Yahoo News ^ | Sat Mar 6,11:27 AM ET | By ALISON MUTLER, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 03/10/2004 6:10:11 AM PST by vannrox

Anthropologists Hail Romania Fossil Find
Sat Mar 6,11:27 AM ET

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By ALISON MUTLER, Associated Press Writer

BUCHAREST, Romania - Experts analyzing remains of a man, woman and teenage boy unearthed in Romania last year are convinced that the 35,000 year-old fossils are the most complete ever of modern humans of that era, a U.S. scientist said Saturday.

International scientists have been carrying out further analysis to get a clearer picture on the find, said anthropologist Erik Trinkaus, of Washington University in St. Louis. But it's already clear that, "this is the most complete collection of modern humans in Europe older than 28,000 years," he told The Associated Press.

"We are very excited about it," said Trinkaus on the telephone, adding that the discovery of in a cave in southwestern Romania "is already changing perceptions about modern humans."

Romanian recreational cavers unearthed the remains of three facial bones last year, and gave them to Romanian scientists.

Romanian scientists asked Trinkaus to analyze the fossils, and he traveled to the Romanian city of Cluj this week with Portuguese scientist Joao Zilhao, a fossil specialist.

Trinkaus said a jawbone belonged to a man aged about 35. He said part of a skull and remains of a face including teeth belonged to a 14- to 15-year-old male and a temporal bone to a woman of unspecified age.

"This was 25,000 years before agriculture. Certainly they were hunters," said Trinkaus. He said the bones were discovered in the foothills of the Carpathian Mountains.

Trinkaus said the humans would have had religious beliefs, used stone tools, and a well-defined social system and lived in a period in during which early modern humans overlapped with late surviving Neanderthals in Europe, Trinkaus said.

Scientists will not give the exact location for the cave, but Trinkaus said it the humans survived because the area was "ecologically variable."

"It was close to the Banat plain and close to the mountains. They didn't have to travel more than 50 kilometers (30 miles)," to hunt, he said.

A team of international scientists from the United States, Norway, Portugal and Britain will carry out more field work in the summer in the cave and surrounding area this summer, Trinkaus said.


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Cool.
1 posted on 03/10/2004 6:10:11 AM PST by vannrox
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To: vannrox
35,000 year old "modern human" remains Discovered!

They found the man holding a remote?

2 posted on 03/10/2004 6:11:41 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: vannrox
Experts analyzing remains of a man, woman and teenage boy unearthed in Romania last year are convinced that the 35,000 year-old fossils are the most complete ever of modern humans of that era

They found a jaw, part of another skull, and one other bone?? A whole new meaning to the idea of "complete" for me.

3 posted on 03/10/2004 6:14:07 AM PST by kjam22
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To: vannrox
If they were unearthed last year, then they are now 35,001 year-old fossils.
4 posted on 03/10/2004 6:15:53 AM PST by Consort
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To: vannrox
35,000 year old "modern human" remains Discovered!

Time machine accident?

5 posted on 03/10/2004 6:16:09 AM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
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To: vannrox
I thought they meant Helen Thomas....


6 posted on 03/10/2004 6:16:16 AM PST by atomicpossum (Fun pics in my profile)
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To: vannrox
That's my Uncle Thag. Put him back in the ground or I'll sue.

CG
7 posted on 03/10/2004 6:19:42 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Of course I'm armed. Isn't everyone?)
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To: atomicpossum
Mere hanging jewelry around the neck of a featherless biped doth not a human make. What is your source for the species ID of the specimen in the picture you posted? Was a DNA test performed?

Inquiring minds want to know.
8 posted on 03/10/2004 6:21:50 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: GladesGuru
Mere hanging jewelry around the neck of a featherless biped doth not a human make. What is your source for the species ID of the specimen in the picture you posted? Was a DNA test performed?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Sorry, it was just an assumption. I guess that could be a particularly ugly monkey.

9 posted on 03/10/2004 6:23:02 AM PST by atomicpossum (Fun pics in my profile)
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To: vannrox
The current working hypothesis is that this is a relative of Dick Clark.
10 posted on 03/10/2004 6:24:23 AM PST by searchandrecovery (This tagline intentionally left blank.)
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To: atomicpossum
Helen Thomas is not homo sapiens. She's a Neanderthal.
11 posted on 03/10/2004 6:25:24 AM PST by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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To: atomicpossum
Please DO NOT do that while I'm eating breakfast...LOL
12 posted on 03/10/2004 6:34:25 AM PST by IAmNotAnAnimal (1/509th Echo....Rangers lead the way)
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To: kjam22
A whole new meaning to the idea of "complete" for me.

Also note that based on these fragments, they "know" that these people had a religion, a well-defined social structure, and (perhaps) a real love of hopscotch.

13 posted on 03/10/2004 6:45:45 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: vannrox
the humans would have had religious beliefs

Unless they also found some fossilized "beliefs" this is pure speculation.

How long ago did humans develop the abstract thinking ability which led
to supernatural beliefs, then to one of it's subsets "religion?"

14 posted on 03/10/2004 6:48:16 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Anyone who signed up after 11/28/97 is a newbie")
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To: *balkans
>>>>>Trinkaus said the humans would have had religious beliefs, used stone tools, and a well-defined social system and lived in a period in during which early modern humans overlapped with late surviving Neanderthals in Europe, Trinkaus said.<<<<<<

In other words, 35000 years ago, Homo Sapiens lived in the Balkans while Neanderthals ruled the rest of Europe.

This may be one of the explanations why the history of the Balkans is so distorted and why the word itself has derogatory overtone in the rest of Europe.

15 posted on 03/10/2004 6:49:17 AM PST by DTA (you ain't seen nothing yet)
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To: vannrox
My question is, how is this date arrived? Radio Carbon dating, near other fossils, or what?

Radio Carbon dating is notoriously inaccurate, so most scientists use nearby fossils. The fossils dates are changed to fit evolutionary thinking. So the dates of this find will vary widely over time.

I would be interested in the skull shape if these were found in rock as they would be from pre-flood time. It would be very interesting to know their age upon death by growth rings. But I doubt they will be interested in that.

16 posted on 03/10/2004 6:50:46 AM PST by sr4402
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To: TheGeezer
***Helen Thomas is not homo sapiens. She's a Neanderthal.***

Trogdolite!
17 posted on 03/10/2004 6:53:51 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: sr4402
Radio Carbon dating is notoriously inaccurate, so most scientists use nearby fossils.

I don't know where you get this from. I've always thought that carbon dating, calibrated in recent years using dendrochronology, is the standard for dating organic remains less than 40,000 to 50,000 YBP. Other index fossils are important, but how do you suppose those were dated to begin with? Carbon, of course.

18 posted on 03/10/2004 7:15:32 AM PST by B.Bumbleberry
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Nah, a welfare check.
19 posted on 03/10/2004 7:16:41 AM PST by CasearianDaoist ((Nuance THIS!))
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To: vannrox
Jimmy Hoffa, his mistress and bastard child???
20 posted on 03/10/2004 7:21:13 AM PST by CommandoFrank (If GW is the terrorist's worst nightmare, Kerry is their wet dream...)
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