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Posted on 07/25/2025 6:08:37 AM PDT by Red Badger
While the study is intriguing, additional observations will be essential to verify or challenge its findings.
Astudy analyzing JWST observations of the early universe has uncovered an intriguing mystery: most galaxies appear to be rotating in the same direction. This unexpected pattern, which defies current cosmological models, has led the study's authors to propose a bold possibility: that our universe might exist inside a black hole.
The JWST has allowed astronomers to peer back further into the past than any other infrared or optical telescope, seeing infrared light that was emitted by distant galaxies just 300 million years after the Big Bang.
With the infrared telescope, we were hoping to learn more about the formation of galaxies, as well as clear up mysteries about how supermassive black holes became so large. But we have been thrown a few surprises as we look further back into the past.
One such surprise has just been found by researchers from Kansas State University. They looked at images taken of 263 galaxies in the early universe, which were clear enough to gauge the direction of rotation. Our current models of the universe assume that the universe is pretty much the same in every direction, on large enough scales. Most physicists and astronomers assume and predict that there should be no preferred direction of rotation of galaxies, and that this should be true of the modern and relatively early universe.
But looking at the galaxies, the team found a significant difference between their rotations relative to the Milky Way. A total of 105 of the galaxies (40 percent) rotated in the counterclockwise direction, while 158 (60 percent) rotated in the clockwise direction.
"The analysis of the galaxies was done by quantitative analysis of their shapes, but the difference is so obvious that any person looking at the image can see it," Lior Shamir, associate professor of computer science in the Carl R. Ice College of Engineering, said in a statement.
"There is no need for special skills or knowledge to see that the numbers are different. With the power of the James Webb Space Telescope, anyone can see it."
Similar findings have been reported before, though nothing as dramatic as this.
So, what could be causing this? There are a few options available that would predict a preferred direction of rotation, but they're a little out there.
"If the observation shown here indeed reflects the structure of the Universe, it shows that the early universe was more homogeneous in terms of the directions towards which galaxies rotate, and becomes more chaotic over time while exhibiting a cosmological-scale axis that is close to the Galactic pole," the team explains in their paper.
K-State researcher's study makes puzzling observation about Milky Way, deep space galaxies' rotations Galaxies that rotate in the same way as the Milky Way are highlighted in red, the opposite way in blue. Image Credit: Kansas State University
"Some cosmological models assume a geometry that features a cosmological-scale axis. These include ellipsoidal Universe, dipole big bang, and isotropic inflation. In these cases, the large-scale distribution of the galaxy rotation is aligned in the form of a cosmological-scale axis, and the location of that axis in close proximity to the Galactic pole can be considered a coincidence."
One possibility suggested by the authors is that the preferred direction is the result of the universe being on the interior of a black hole of a larger universe.
"One explanation is that the universe was born rotating. That explanation agrees with theories such as black hole cosmology, which postulates that the entire universe is the interior of a black hole," Shamir said. "But if the universe was indeed born rotating it means that the existing theories about the cosmos are incomplete."
Such an explanation would need a whole lot more evidence to back it up. The team proposes another possibility, though this too could cause some issues. It could be caused by the Doppler shift effect, which can make light appear red or blue-shifted depending on how the emitting object is moving relative to us.
Because of this effect, galaxies rotating the opposite way to the Milky Way appear brighter. If the Milky Way's rotational velocity has more of an effect than astronomers have assumed, this may account for why galaxies spinning in the opposite way to the Milky Way are overrepresented as we look back further and further into the red-shifted universe; they simply appear brighter to us.
"If that is indeed the case, we will need to re-calibrate our distance measurements for the deep universe," Shamir added.
"The re-calibration of distance measurements can also explain several other unsolved questions in cosmology, such as the differences in the expansion rates of the universe and the large galaxies that, according to the existing distance measurements, are expected to be older than the universe itself."
Though an intriguing study, many more observations will be needed to confirm or refute what was found, and then determine which explanation for the data is most likely.
The study was published in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.
An earlier version of this story was published in March 2025.
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WEBB Ping!..........................
Now that is absolutely fascinating, and if I'm not mistaken, it is clockwise.
In my eyes, indisposed
In disguise as no one knows
Hides the face, lies the snake
And the sun in my disgrace
Boiling heat, the summer stench
‘Neath the black the sky looks dead
Call my name through the cream
And I’ll hear you scream, again
Black hole sun, won’t you come
And wash away the rain?
Black hole sun, won’t you come
Won’t you come, won’t you come
The odd thing about Black Holes, the bigger they are the less dense they are. Given one big enough it could match the current density of our universe .
Well, that’s reassuring!
Is that better than “we may be living in a parallel universe!”?
Ruh roh!
Fascinating. I greatly appreciate such thinking. I have often dwelled on the concept of the other side of a black hole.
In contrast to the concept - after ruminating for a minute or two - my mind tends to believe that they would have found the event horizon - or whatever term they assign it from the inside - by now. It should present as a unique, obvious anomaly in space.
But if true, it could certainly explain a number of outliers in the science of astrophysics...even if their brains are still too small to wrap around such a concept today.
Frankly, it is very plausible that our ‘universe’ is borne of the ass end of a black hole (though not ‘inside’) because - YES - ‘space’ is THAT big (not finite like the supposed smart people proffer).
So - outside of a black hole, the water won’t swirl when I flush the toilet?
One wonders about the sense of rotation within said galaxy if there is a similar distribution, stars to planets and planets themselves with their respective moons extending to the galaxy itself.
I’m just stunned the question had never occurred to me.
How about them galaxies tumble as they move away, and we see the flip side of them, seemingly rotating the other way?
Exactly......................
We are in a computer simulation program. It’s that simple.
A total of 105 of the galaxies (40 percent) rotated in the counterclockwise direction, while 158 (60 percent) rotated in the clockwise direction.
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Didn’t this article get posted before, or one like it?
I don’t understand what their hangup is about the varied rotation of galaxies.
If a galaxy started out spinning clockwise from our vantage point, but also slowly flipped over it’s orientation of poles so that an assigned north become an assigned south, then it would then appear to be rotating the counter clockwise.
Variation:
Black holes do not actually exist.
We are inside of one.
Therefore we do not exist!
Lol.
Fake News. Lol
“our universe might exist inside a black hole.”
This is one of the reasons why I don’t follow theoretical physics any more. It has become sensational science fiction with clickbait headlines.
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