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Many Catholics in the U.S. and Latin America Want the Church to Allow Birth Control and to Let Women Become Priests
pew research ^ | September 26, 2024 | Jonathan Evans and Kelsey Jo Starr

Posted on 12/02/2024 2:21:56 PM PST by daniel1212

Most Catholics in all seven countries want the church to allow Catholics to use birth control.

In most of the countries surveyed, majorities of Catholics also say the church should allow women to become priests.

Opinion is more divided on whether the church should allow priests to get married.

Views on whether the church should recognize the marriages of gay and lesbian couples vary among Catholics in the countries surveyed.

Ten years ago, nearly all Catholics surveyed there (98%) expressed a favorable opinion of Francis, compared with 74% today.



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To: Petrosius
 James is listed first - is he now the 'leader'??
 
 
Galatians 2 niv
 
6 As for those who were held in high esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they added nothing to my message. 7 On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised. 8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9 James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. 10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along.
 
 
11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
 
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
 
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
 
17 “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
 
19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
 
Peter - a Hypocrit?!?

141 posted on 12/03/2024 12:50:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
How do you know that THEY are right?

That organization MUST be right!

Just LOOK at the man it elected to be the figurehead!

142 posted on 12/03/2024 12:52:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Petrosius
You are the ones who claim salvation by faith alone.

No, the Book Rome assembled so long ago says so.

143 posted on 12/03/2024 12:54:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Petrosius
But the questions still remains, who decides?

No, the question is: Who DOESN'T get to decide?

144 posted on 12/03/2024 12:56:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
You may now procede to post the Scripture that backs up these two statements.

No need. As a Catholic I do not believe in sola Scripture. I will take the testimony of the Church. Now you who do, post the Scripture that says that she did sin or did not remain a virgin.

Also please post the Scripture that lists the books of the Bible.

145 posted on 12/03/2024 1:09:07 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Elsie

Do you not believe, as Acts states, that the gathered apostles and presbyters spoke with the authority of the Holy Spirit. If they did, when did they stop doing so?


146 posted on 12/03/2024 1:10:39 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: metmom
Jesus Himself validated the OT. That’s most of the Bible.

Which Old Testament? The one in Catholic Bibles or the one in Protestant Bibles? And what about the New Testament?

147 posted on 12/03/2024 1:12:17 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: metmom
So I’m supposed to trust some religious organization to make the decision for me?

No, you are to trust God who established the Church and protects it from error, as he promised. But again, how do you decide what is Scripture? And do you claim that your interpretation is infallible?

148 posted on 12/03/2024 1:14:14 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: metmom
So IOW, the election of Francis to the papacy was under the direction of God Himself?

No, that has never been Church teaching. The doctrine of infallibility is quite narrow. You should really try to understand it as Catholics teach it before you glibly dismiss it.

149 posted on 12/03/2024 1:17:28 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Elsie
No, the Book Rome assembled so long ago says so.

Sola fide is not taught in the Bible. Quite the contrary, it teaches that we will be judged by our works. That you are pushing this error shows that you are not even following sola Scriptura but the man-made traditions of Luther.

150 posted on 12/03/2024 1:21:42 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Salvation is by faith alone.

We can’t earn it or keep it by works.

Where Catholics err is that they assume that just because we believe that works play no role in procuring salvation, that they are unimportant and nothing could be further from the truth.

Getting saved is the beginning of a walk with Christ which is sanctification and the goal is to become more and more Christlike as we progress. That includes obedience to God’s commands. But it doesn’t keep us saved. It keeps us growing.

And lack of works does not mean lack of, or loss of salvation. It can result, however, in the Lord’s discipline to correct us.

Contrary to Catholic thinking, when God saves us, He does not abandon us to fend for ourselves and then zap us when we screw up. He is active in the life of the believer, always. Even when that believer is not in a place of full fellowship with God because of sin.


151 posted on 12/03/2024 2:20:29 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: Petrosius; Elsie; daniel1212
You all are making the claim that what applies to the whole human race doesn't apply to Mary, that she's exempt from the natural human condition.

It's on you to defend your position.

It's not a matter of you can make any claim you want, no matter how baseless and then demand it be accepted and believed unless someone can disprove it.

There are plenty of Scripture that indicate Mary had a normal marriage relationship with Joseph that produced other offspring.

They've been posted before and rejected because Catholics don't want to believe them. But just to humor you, here they are again.

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 1:24-25 And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took Mary as his wife, but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.

Luke 2:7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.

And surely, both DR Luke and the Holy Spirit know the difference between *only* and *firstborn*.

God gave His ONLY son.

Mary bore Jesus as her FIRSTBORN son.

152 posted on 12/03/2024 2:36:16 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: Petrosius

The one Jesus validated.

It’s in the gospels. Read them.


153 posted on 12/03/2024 2:36:58 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: Petrosius

So the Catholic church is infallible. Except when it’s not.

So how do you make the determination of what is infallible or not?

Something besides opinion.


154 posted on 12/03/2024 2:38:53 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: Petrosius

You’re confusing the Judgment Seat of Christ where believer’s works are judged for reward or loss of it, NOT for salvation or loss of it at the Great White Throne Judgment.


155 posted on 12/03/2024 2:41:04 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: Petrosius

Why do Catholics always accuse others of following Luther?

Luther and his teachings have no bearing on my walk with Christ or my understanding of Scripture.

I can read it for myself. I don’t need a man to tell me what to believe like Catholics do.


156 posted on 12/03/2024 2:42:40 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: metmom
Salvation is by faith alone.

We can’t earn it or keep it by works.

No, but you can loose it through sin. Catholics, contrary to Protestant allegations, do not believe that we earn our salvation through works. Although we do not believe in sola Scriptura or sola fide, we do believe in sola gratia.

Contrary to Catholic thinking, when God saves us, He does not abandon us to fend for ourselves and then zap us when we screw up. He is active in the life of the believer, always. Even when that believer is not in a place of full fellowship with God because of sin.

You have a major misunderstanding of Catholic teaching. Although we can abandon him, God never abandons us. He is constantly sending us his grace to avoid sin or to repent from our sins. Even when we are separated from him by our choice when we commit a mortal sin, he is still sending us his grace to repent. And when we do, and approach him in confession, forgiveness is ours just for the asking. We do not earn it by anything we do. If you are going to critique Catholic teaching, I would ask you to do so on what we actually believe, and not on a Protestant caricature of it.

157 posted on 12/03/2024 2:55:35 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: metmom

“Firstborn” is a legal term for the first born male child that opens the womb and must be redeemed through a special offering. It does not imply that there were others born afterwards. I would have thought that someone who has studied Scripture would have known this.


158 posted on 12/03/2024 2:58:08 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: metmom

Nowhere in the Gospels does Jesus list the books of the Old Testament. And you still have not answered the question about the New Testament.


159 posted on 12/03/2024 3:00:34 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: metmom

“Why do Catholics always accuse others of following Luther?”

That’s a good question. It never occurred to me. I guess RCs don’t get that some groups existed pre-Luther, and pre the invention of Catholicism as a revenue-generating entity.

The church we’ve attended for several months is PCA Presbyterian, and I’ve noticed they have some extra focus on Luther. I would call them true “Protestants”.

There’s none of that in the Baptist Church where I was raised. We learn about Luther and the Reformation, but as just history; we don’t elevate Luther. Since we didn’t “protest” with Luther, not Protestants.


160 posted on 12/03/2024 3:03:58 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (It's hard not to celebrate the fall of bad people. - Bongino)
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