Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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If there was a new terminal built since 1971, the 1971 terminal would be the new old terminal, as opposes to the old old terminal with the thatched roof.
Photos and timeline for airports
http://hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation/aviation-photos/1950-1959/
Left side is main nav for all the smaller runway type airports.
The hawaii.gov site seems to be down right now.
I’ll try again later.
In the other Hawaii samples, in the case of certificates that are dated "filed on" as opposed to "accepted on", the filed on certificates are all dated the birth date except for Obama's. Is yours dated on the birth date?
Thank you.
I've got BC's from both the hospital and the official county one. The hospital version lists birth time, weight, length, dr, and two footprints among other family stuff. The county one just has family info including birth order in family, parents, location and dr, and (now this will attest to the fact that I'm an old guy) the words "Legitimate Child" stamped near the top. :)
Again, this is only posted to make the point that government forms absolutely can change in appearance without changing in form number or rev date. this was true back in the paper form days, when different batches came from different printers, and it is still true today, when many forms are completely computer generated.
I'm only going to leave these up for a couple days at most. It was a minor point to make, and there it is.
Wow! And you can still function?
Pssst! Mine has a place where IF marked it would have shown illegitimate also. We are a couple of oldies. :-)
So KJCI if yours says filed like Obama's then I am not now sure what to make of the difference.
I do not see anywhere where it has a REV number and it wouldn't since the forms are the same. Information contained in the form is different but that would not change what the orginal form looks like.
Perhaps the clerk started to type United and changed to U S A because of limited space?
Da-yam.
I suppose I could be a prick and assert that “(Prior edition is obsolete)” is the functional equivalent of a rev letter.
But you are correct.
Identical core document numbers, dash numbers, and dash letters and issue dates.
Different documents.
If the Army can do that with over 215 years of experience in the havoc that can cause, 50 year old Hawai’i can certainly make the mistake, too.
I think you’ve proved your point.
There is no way to verify the validity of the BHO document, if we can’t discern what the form is supposed to look like.
In terms of actually knowing who anyone is, we’re pretty much doomed.
I didn’t realize that! I’ll put away my musket, lower the flag, and call retreat then.
Thanks. Have you seen KJC1's posts? He says he has a Hawaii birth certificate which appears like Obama's and has that same rev number, as well.
There is no way to verify the validity of the BHO document, if we cant discern what the form is supposed to look like.
True, but, really, with scans posted online, the most you can do is raise questions anyway. Nothing could be definitively proven without the actual piece of paper, unless it was a forgery with a really, really glaring mistake, and I don't think that's the case here. I'm a little puzzled why the campaign does not put the paper certificate in some third party's hands, but it may well be, if they have a legit copy, they are just enjoying this, you know?
Mar 91 is the rev, and the “obsolete” does not refer to the 1993 form - they are the same form, same number, same rev date. I included a list of differences between them at the link I sent you. They are not big differences, but they are at least as big as the different borders on the birth certificates in question, and just as irrelevant to demonstrating that one or the other is a fake.
I’m sure you’ve seen KJC1’s posts by now regarding his own Hawaii birth certificate that matches Obama’s, not DeCosta’s, in appearance, and has that same form number and rev date.
Again, my only point is the very narrow one that slight differences between the appearance of two forms bearing the same number is not, by itself, evidence of anything at all.
Some days better than others. :)
Two extra unlabled blocks in the bottom right corner.
In substance on the reverse the second column form the left is:
Code 5 Or B/C Points vs
Code 5 Or B Points
I guess C points were 'disappeared'
In any real company I've ever worked for, Document Control would crucify an engineer who even tried to issue different documents with the same number and rev letter.
It would take the ability to call sworn witnesses and cross them, and the theoretical witness list is already very international. It is Obama himself who, if I has some love for this country, should back out until he proves himself, not just imagines himself. If so, he might have a chance at a comeback years from now. Right now he seems to be headed down the path charted by bold captains Kerry, Edwards, McGovern, Humphrey. Bold captains tend to tack full speed ahead into unseen shoals, to the wreck of all.
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