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Rewriting Evolution: Study Shows Neanderthals and Humans Were Not the Same Species
Scitech Daily ^ | December 13, 2024 | Natural History Museum, London

Posted on 12/17/2024 5:58:14 AM PST by Red Badger

A replica of an approximately 50,000-year-old Neanderthal cranium from La Ferrassie, France, compared to a recent Homo Sapiens cranium. Credit: Trustees of the Natural History Museum A study suggests that by the time H. sapiens expanded, the differentiation between the two species had progressed to the extent that they were distinct and recognizable as separate species.

A recent study conducted by researchers from London’s Natural History Museum and the Institute of Philosophy at KU Leuven has strengthened the argument that Neanderthals and modern humans (Homo sapiens) should be classified as distinct species to more accurately trace our evolutionary history.

Different researchers have different definitions as to what classifies as a species. It is undisputed that H. sapiens and Neanderthals originate from the same parental species, however studies into Neanderthal genetics and evolution have reignited the debate over whether they should be classed as separate from H. sapiens or rather a subspecies (H. sapiens neanderthalensis).

Evidence Supporting Species Distinction

Advocating the former, Chris Stringer (Natural History Museum, London) and Andra Meneganzin (Institute of Philosophy, KU Leuven, Belgium) state that despite the inherent limitations of the fossil record, there is enough morphological, ecological, genetic, and temporal evidence to justify this categorization, and claim that this evidence reflects the complexity of the speciation process, in which populations from one parent species progressively diverge to become different descendant species. Taxonomic disagreement, they claim, is best explained by how the speciation process is modeled in the record, rather than conflicts between evidence types.

Dr. Andra Meneganzin, Post-doctoral Fellow at the KU Leuven Institute of Philosophy and lead author of the study, says: “In the science of human origins, implicit and unrealistic theoretical assumptions can be just as limiting as the scarcity of data. Taxonomic disagreement over the classification of our species and Neanderthals offer a prime example of oversimplified expectations regarding the nature of speciation. Both in present and past taxa, speciation unfolds across space and time, through multiple stages involving the incremental acquisition of distinct characters. By reading the fossil records through the temporal and geographic dimensions that shaped past human diversity, available data can become increasingly informative rather than more limiting, and help move debates beyond unproductive deadlocks.

Professor Chris Stringer, Research Leader at the Natural History Museum and joint author of the paper, says: “In the context of Neanderthals and Homo sapiens, we need to regard speciation as a gradual process that occurred over more than 400,000 years. It is correct that the two interbred where they were not geographically separate, but over time differentiation continued to a point where the two were distinctly different species. When the Neanderthals died out around 40,000 years ago, the two species were in the final stage of the speciation process and were developing reproductive isolation from each other.”

Challenges in Mapping Speciation

Mapping speciation over a 400,000-year period from palaeontological and archaeological evidence has proven challenging for scientists, as in the later stages of speciation H. sapiens and Neanderthals continued to interbreed and exchange genes and behaviours. However, to reliably trace modern human evolution, categorizations need to be made about anatomical and geographical developments. The study claims that if interbreeding was the final word in determining species status, then hundreds of distinct species of mammals and birds today would have their separate species status revoked and that without recognizing patterns in evolution and subsequent categorization, the question of when a species first appeared becomes more intractable.

Fossil records show that H. sapiens developed in Africa, whilst Neanderthals evolved in Eurasia for at least 400,000 years, with interbreeding occurring as H. sapiens expanded out of the former region. However, the study argues that by the time of H. sapiens expansion and subsequent interbreeding, differentiation between the two species had occurred to the point where they were distinguishable species. One striking example of differentiation is that their ecological profiles were distinguishable and associated with “minimally different” habitats.

Neanderthals were better equipped to cope with colder climates – an adaptation which even today we have not yet fully developed without the use of technology. They had to be more physically active and for longer periods, to gather the resources they needed for survival, which helps to explain morphological differences including ribcage and pelvis shapes, inferring bigger internal organs such as the lungs, heart, and liver – amongst a wide range of anatomical distinctions. This may have been a factor in their extinction, as the more gracile skeleton of H. sapiens suggests a more economical physiology, less demanding of energy and resources, and aided by complex technology. This could have made the difference between survival and extinction when there was rapid climate change, or a strong competition for resources where the two coexisted.

An ever-evolving field of research, this bold new paper hopes to provide an explicit theoretical framework for future study, calling for a more nuanced chronological and evolutionary contextualisation of the available fossil record.

Reference:

“Homo sapiens, Neanderthals and Speciation Complexity in Palaeoanthropology”

by Andra Meneganzin and Chris Stringer, 14 November 2024, Evolutionary Journal of the Linnean Society.

DOI: 10.1093/evolinnean/kzae033


TOPICS: Education; History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: anthropology; crevo; godsgravesglyphs; lucy; morphology; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; piltdownman; species; tedholden
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I’m not sure when that idea was taught but it was never true. Gregor Mendel for instance became famous for proposing speciation by hybridization.


21 posted on 12/17/2024 6:23:56 AM PST by Varda
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To: Red Badger

Trusting the science is impossible anymore

And origins of man is pretty hot

Crafty Neanderthal or dumb as rocks homo erectus

Nobody is honest much

And every dept of note carries an agenda or is intimidated

Think East Anglia climate control lies

This is academia today is especially anything close to RACE


22 posted on 12/17/2024 6:24:12 AM PST by wardaddy ( .If the GOPe didn't go wobbly slightest incoming flak we'd always win)
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To: Red Badger

If humans came out of Africa and MET Neanderthals, then Neanderthals were ALREADY there. Does that mean not all humans have African heritage??

More and more research with less and less clarity 🤨


23 posted on 12/17/2024 6:29:07 AM PST by SMARTY (In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. Napoleon Bonaparte I)
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To: healy61

Original skulls are probably hard to get.


24 posted on 12/17/2024 6:31:48 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE (‘Never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals’)
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To: Red Badger
Nonsense. Most living people still carry DNA from our Neandertal ancestors. Oddly enough, the Stanford prof who took a giant crap on the anthropological (in this context, morphological) approach and helped spearhead the move toward DNA comparisons also dumped on the Neandertal, using no or at best insufficient data and morphological arguments. Not pingin', just addin'.

25 posted on 12/17/2024 6:31:57 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Politics do not make strange bedfellows, and the enemy of your enemy may still be your enemy.)
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To: Tell It Right

26 posted on 12/17/2024 6:35:37 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: SMARTY

The current mainstream belief is that the Neanderthals represented a much earlier wave of migration out of Africa. A completing theory is that they were in fact native to Europe.


27 posted on 12/17/2024 6:35:41 AM PST by Interesting Times (This space for rent.)
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To: Flaming Conservative

Still be more accurate than how they got dinosaurs heh.

I didn’t think anyone still believed evolution. It’s as real as Santa.


28 posted on 12/17/2024 6:38:43 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Red Badger

Neanderthal (D) and humans (R) are indeed not the same.


29 posted on 12/17/2024 6:45:08 AM PST by meyer ("When, in the course of human events,....")
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To: Red Badger

People are still thinking we descended from non-humans?

Did they not get the memo?


30 posted on 12/17/2024 6:45:31 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: Red Badger

Love ‘em!


31 posted on 12/17/2024 6:47:16 AM PST by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Red Badger
Went to bed at two with a ten and woke up at ten with a two!.................

At least you got eight hours sleep!

32 posted on 12/17/2024 6:48:01 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Red Badger

A species used to mean a group of individuals who could interbreed successfully, period.

The “Endangered Species Act” decided no species, no matter how insignificant could be allowed to go extinct, no matter the cost or impact.

“Professional Biologists” suddenly had important and high paying jobs finding new species to stop or blackmail developers and project, testifying as grand and learned experts in court.

The biology professional organizations like this one focussed on ecology and speciation now call a subgroup a species if it looks a little different and is in a different location. Gee whiz, wonder why. What possible incentive would there be for that?

Thicker fur, different coloration, different reproductive preferences; by those measures human “races” and “ethnicities” are separate species.


33 posted on 12/17/2024 6:52:55 AM PST by takebackaustin
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To: Interesting Times
“...native to Europe...”?

So that is my question. What is their definitive origin?

I think that we know so little, for certain, about the origins of groups and that we may never have enough of the necessary material remains to work it out

34 posted on 12/17/2024 7:07:33 AM PST by SMARTY (In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. Napoleon Bonaparte I)
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To: SMARTY

“If humans came out of Africa and MET Neanderthals, then Neanderthals were ALREADY there. Does that mean not all humans have African heritage??”

The whole “Out of Africa” theory is currently out of favor.


35 posted on 12/17/2024 7:14:57 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Today's "conspiracy theory" is tomorrow's conspiracy FACT.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Can they reproduce together. Can they produce fertile offspring. That's the definition of a species.

Neanderthals were human

36 posted on 12/17/2024 7:16:16 AM PST by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

I have been following it ... sort of


37 posted on 12/17/2024 7:28:48 AM PST by SMARTY (In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. Napoleon Bonaparte I)
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To: Red Badger

And yet they were interbreeding for the last 7000 years of Neanderthals’ existence as a separate population. Interbreeding with ferile offspring says there was only one species involved unless one could say that red haired and black haired people are different species.


38 posted on 12/17/2024 7:29:06 AM PST by arthurus (covfefe fie)
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To: meyer

You sure it’s not the other way around? Neanderthals had bigger brains.


39 posted on 12/17/2024 7:31:28 AM PST by irishjuggler
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To: meyer

You probably have that backwards


40 posted on 12/17/2024 7:38:40 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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