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freeps had a fabulous poster who was on top of this story from day one. His articles were thoughtful, well documented and well written. He's been on radio shows as well, went by the name of OKCSubmariner here. Unfortunately,like so many other good posters here who contributed actual decent and original content, he got banned and all his previous (years) work nuked into the memory blackhole because he wasn't an "approved" lock step fascist bushbot/adl clone. He's got all the same skinny with Iraqis and the mcveigh angle this lady reporter has and actually worked with her back and forth. Want to know what else? this ties in with shrubs daddy and his buddy buddy action before he double crossed saddam. At one time saddam was his biz partner and ally. And the current junior action has ties to osama and whatnot as well, but again, this is "unapproved therefore not to be acknowledged" information. It upsets too many republican criminal gang party apple carts. Google cache might still have some of his original articles that were posted here, maybe, don't know.



---hi old friends, bye old friends, back to very occasional lurking.......

--the cops and military already have this sub-aural sonic frequency thing, the links and a thread were posted here. You can buy the low quality versions of it right off the web at shomer-tec "police equipment" website. It's not "tinfoil hat, LOL" in case any of the professional lying propoganda spewing statist fed goons here try to claim otherwise, anyone can go look at it. They have a small and a turbo version. They claim the cops already use it to control "political demonstrations' etc. Another for-real weapon the cops and military have now is the microwave. Just like your home oven in a way, but weaponised. It's really simple but the implications for population control are staggering. They have a microwave 'gun" of a sort that causes a "mild burning sensation". Like they can't crank the volume up on this, uh huh. They admit this. What they don't admit to but (IMO) is a 99% certainty they have is that they also have and have used already a killer version of it which literally cooks you alive from a distance.

SLICK! And a side benefit is that blue green algae is nutritious as all get out.

--that's the part I don't understand. I have drilled granite, there ain't no hydrogen coming out easy or you'd see sparks and flames from the steel drill bit igniting it. where exactly is this hydrogen again? I'm all for alternate energy, I'm a proponent of alternative hot- fusion power-it's called 'the sun" and the technology is here and it works. We don't have to "discover" it. The sun's fusion energy runs our winds and ocean currents. That's a lotta horse power, the mother of all therms, ergs a-plenty. It takes carbon molecules and some trace minerals and develops biomatter in profuse and varied abundance by the cubic mile every constantly across the planet. Automatically. We get direct radiation across a broad spectrum. It's awesome. It's there, no drilling two miles deep for it, just step outside. Mr. bigshot in the sky wasn't fooling around, he's handed it to us gratis. "here ya go hoomans, if you are smart enough to see it". We just need better ways to tap it. the ways we have now work, and they can get better. As the pack gave way to the travois to the wheel to the wheel plus engine to the wheeless skimmers in the air progression shows, we can do wonders with it if we just try and stop beating our heads against the wall in fighting it.

--that's the ticket man! Now just get ten million of your buddies to think the same way and we can get back to normal in one day!

--I feel kinda sorry for the younger dudes actually don't remember when we had much less laws, gas was 15 cents, the pocket change silver in your pocket WAS silver, any ole regular blue collar job was easy to own a house and have 5 kids, etc. Like, what happened? Was there any exact particular day you remember where it really changed? I can't remember. Maybe kennedys whack, when they got away with it. That and the gun control act (and the national election) of 68 mostly I guess.

dang vern, they musta snuck into area 51 and snagged some of that alien metal to make the barrels!

---HAHAHAHAHA! That's what got me through the mob in atlanta downtown during the rodney king riots, except in my case it was a 357 and my 6,000 lb camping van. I think the van with the whizzed off looking driver was more impressive.

yep, sure a lot of wildcats out there. deal is, it has to be common, that's what's cool about the 50 (sorta) or 308 or 30 06, it's so common it ain't funny. I think for most folks sticking to an actual either a common hunting caliber or a common military caliber is the best bet. For something that has been around for a long time as an alternative to the 50, I guess the H&H 375 comes the closest to something decent enough. It starts to get into ford/chevy/mopar discussion at some point. I tell folks if they got to have one rifle, just one, then make it a 308 of some brand, that don't matter that much. Does the job,. ain't weird or hard to find or expensive, and has better range and impact than the current paramilitary forces infantry standard 223. The cartridge itself will out perform 99% of most folks eyeballs and shooting skills.

--I dunno. I'm old enough and remember what the gun laws used to be. I once humped a .22 openly on the schoolbus to junior high for a swap for some crap with a friend. I used to be able to waltz into the store as a kid and my choice of enfields or mausers or asakas for 9$. Could order a pistol mailorder through the back pages of outdoor life. carbines were 20 bucks from the civilian marksmanship deal and it was easy as snot to get one.

It ain't like that now in ANY state, some are worse than others, that's all. None of them, including vermont, come close to how it used to be, although vermont is far and away the best. Here's an example, don't believe me, start a company, make brand new more than 10 shot mags for anything, not even guns, not even assault rifles, just mags, then open a storefront and try to sell them retail to someone who ain't a cop or dotgov, to just anyone who walks in, see what happens, any state. Your particular great state. See? Inch by inch, it's everywhere, just the speed of change is different.

They been doing it piece by piece, the larger states like cal and new york and illinois are always the canary states, they see what flies and what don't. Once they see it flying there, eventually it gets to other states, again, some quicker, some slower. New Jersey bans almost all assault rifles now don't they? I think the last decent one you can own is the garand, but maybe I'm wrong on that, don't remember now. I don't keep up with all the states so i can't comment. i'll agree cal is one of the worst, but they also got the most votes as a block in the fed house, too. they also control the mass media with their partners in NYC and washington. what happens there is vitally important for everyone, whether we like it or not.

Anyway, I got mixed feelings on cal, there's still a ton of decent folks there, they just got out voted and out bred and out spent. Between the coastal nimrods and the illegals, now into illegals as their number three growth industry, they are surrounded numerically. What choice they got really? Start shootin? You first, be my guest, I'll watch for now. I'm skeptical all this talk of lines in the sand I've heard for decades now is more than talk, or it would have happened already, and it hasn't. What are they supposed to do? Exactly? Just move, then move again, and move again? Vote? Re -read earlier description of what gun laws used to be, been plenty of 'votes' since then, all over heck, it hasn't mattered in the long run. One step forward someplace, 5 steps back is what has happened mostly.

Folks are hanging on to their jobs now, wherever they are living, ain't one hooman bean I know actually believes the governments BS unemployment figures or economic figures, I don't care if they are dems or repubs or purple lipped zulus, NO one believes the government.

Folks in cal are just stuck between their size rock and the hard place we all have in common, that's all. Just their rock is bigger and moves faster than most states rocks.

--no, you are right. If ONE state gets a 50 ban, count on most of the others to do it. The tyranny two class society goons in control of this junta do NOT want private people to own weapons that are actually somewhat effective against their mechanised military, should tyrannical efforts necessitate a firm saying "no you don't" at some theoretical future desparate point. The 50 is not all that swift in that regard, but, then again, compared to any other shoulder fired weapon out there that any ole joe sixpack can just go purchase, it is far and away the "best" and cheapest.

With that said, it would be cool if some machine shop/ firearms manufacturer like RIGHT NOW came up with a wildcat, like a .475 mag, based on the .50 BMG cartridge.

---I don't have any spare cash to donate, but if some of the young lassies need a free place to bunk while they are in beauty "training" I guess I can find some space around here...

coachzog

--and some folks here when thery comment that it appears outside strange groups are running the government- like the CFR/Trilats and this world bank IMF and etc. - get dismised. But then we get direct info like this and from the originating poster that confirms it more.

Thanks for the insight.

--you ask how much longer and etc. I don't know all the answers to that, can only maybe specualte a little. One reason of many might be the prevailing consensus on fuel economy with vehicles. Go ahead and post any random article or even an opinion on having vehicles that get better mileage, or any new or alternative energy technbiques, and see what happens, then ask yourself again why we are still hostage to foreign oil. Part is we don't pump enough of our own, the other part, and just as big, IMO, is people have a fixation on having the worst mileage possible, and the worst driving habits as possible, as a status symbol or something. It's muey macho I guess. People are all pretty dang quick to put the blame on the pumping part, and in vehement denial they got anything personally to do with it. It's always this other guys fault, doncha know.

We have the situation we have now because the mass herd consensus has to been to ignore the problems and leave it up to government and a handful of multinationals to keep things running. They say, ok, if you guys really don't care, we'll just keep pumping the oil from these places that hate us, and we'll hope they never hate us enough to stop pumping, and well keep trusting to blind luck no major wars break out.

That's who we vote for, that's what we have purchased with our pump dollars, as a sort of general rule.. then when weird stuff happens, we see all this outrage and confusion and wondering what went wrong or what should we do. What we DO is never plan, this nation reacts to crises, it doesn't plan ahead. It TALKS about planning ahead, then flips the channel to rasslin or football or nascar mostly.

/cynicism

that car dealie happened to me once. was living in the buckhead district metro atlanta. had a little sportscar. pulled the engine in my driveway to rebuild it. most of it went to the shop, the block and head, for work, put the rest of the stuff in a box inside. car is still registered, on it's wheels, car cover, in the driveway. full insurance, plate, etc. Looks just like a car. Knock on the door few days later, a cop. lady cop. she says they got a complaint about my car "is it running?" "no, getting the engine worked on". "have to move it then or get a ticket". it's de law and stuff. I not only moved the car, I moved ME out of that stuckup snob neighborhood. Gave notice, stayed to the end of the month, loaded up van, got a towbar for the sports car, moved away to a more "blue collar" neighborhood. I can sorta kinda understand 5 wrecked pickups up on blocks with refrigerators stacked in them, etc, but sheesh. A grand total of one weekend day it took to yank the engine and get the parts to the shop, then back to normal looking. This was too much for them.

Atlanta just sucks. I used to like it but it's the pits now.

ah, excuse me, glad to hear sonofliberty still here. My mistake, I was told this and it is an error. coolbeans.

The other stuff I'll pass on replying about, some of this and some of that I agree with, some I don't, and I got some differing opinions on the gestalt.

One thing I will say, banning is one thing, banning with no notice is entirely a different thing, and complete disappearing someones work that goes back years? Vindictive, obnoxious, juvenile, and petty. That's the politest thing I'll say about that. My "respect" and "trust" has dropped 18 notches with this latest series of purges. I don't know exactly who(m) did it, so I'll direct that to whichever person or persons did it. They know who they are.

--no it don't float forever, you are correct, but what I said is true, too. Put 500 thou or a million protesters in the streets, one plane can disperse them. napalm and HE sorta works. Even if only 1% get taken out with the first sorte, the rest will leave. Militaries use what they got, and the track record of various juntas and dictators over the planet is-they don't really care if it looks like they are gonna lose everything, they'll crank up what assets they have and use them to stay inpower as long as possible-most of the time anyway. I just happened to read that the air force general and his wing were the first ones to jump ship and support chavez, that's all. And I have no idea how many of the army is still on chavez's side as well, he could have his own tanks and grunts-I'd be surprised if he didn't. Reality is he's back in, not out. Money and power did it, oil money and military power or the threat of it. It would take someone really on the ground there who knew all the players and was posting here to really get closer to the why's of this whole deal.

I also would like to know what's up with cuba right now, any of what they call "mobilization" going on, stuff like that. Haven't heard a peep either way on that yet.

--that is a very good angle and point. I don't know the players there that much to know if this is reality or not. I am surprised though that if this is the case that we didn't put it just another regular old cia puppet instead of chavez again.

Basically, I think the bottom line is all these high level dudes realise the gravy train cash money on the side might be over if they don't play ball, and I bet a variety of "things" got to them to play ball again. There's been so many folks wasted there the past few days. Suppose a lot of the generals had second cousins wasted, stuff like that? Close enough to notice, far enough away to make it look "random".

Besides that I just don't know, the "situation is fluid" is the phrase.

--he had the support of the air force general with the f-16's. Think about what happened in south america in the past when they actually have for-real serious coups, not this baby coup we saw. Whomever owns the high ground and the serious firepower wins. Numbers on the ground mean zilch. Check ashcanistan for this deal. High ground and firepower, high ground and firepower. There could be 500,000 anti chavez supporters in a mass demonstration, how many jets would it take to disperse the crowd and restore "law-n-order"? One? Probably. Remember, every "leader" always says the same thing, in some word arrangement or other like this -->their opposition are called "terrorists". You are "with" the leader or a "terrorist". Works in every country on the planet, always has, too, until they don't control the serious firepower.

--I don't know, you tell me. all three of them were purged around the same time two days ago, and all their efforts got deleted. Think about how orwellian this is. I posted my first ever started-post on freerepublic yesterday to ask that question, but the thread got deleted. As these actual questions and replies might get deleted, I am probably taking a chance to even discuss it calmly. Oh well.

Now I have a theory why, but I will hold my public counsel on it. Just think of the sum totality of events not only in the nation but on this board, a very large and important internet political activist communications site, think about what has occurred here and in meatworld pre election and post election, and pre 9-11 and post 9-11, think about those folks efforts, think about some of the rather-strange- unanswered questions that have arisen since the attack, then add it up. Personally, I don't like what I get when I do it.