Posted on 04/15/2002 7:28:05 AM PDT by .38sw
HEARING TUESDAY April 16, 2002
Note: The hearing was rescheduled from April 2
California .50 Caliber ban
TUESDAY April 16
Note: The hearing was rescheduled from April 2
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AB 2222, which is a .50 caliber ban has its first hearing on April 16 in the Assembly Public Safety Committee. PLEASE FAX AND TELEPHONE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND URGE THEM TO VOTE AGAINST THIS MEASURE AND AB2902. E-MAILS ARE NOT AS EFFECTIVE,BUT IF THAT IS ALL YOU CAN MUSTER, DO THAT. CONCENTRATE ON THE DEMOCRATS.
It would treat .50 caliber rifles as machine guns, banning future sales and requiring current owners to dispose of them or register them as destructive devices (virtually impossible in California). For information on this bill, see the Fifty Caliber Shooter's Association Policy Institute at www.fcspi.org. They will have some details on the bill and how to argue the case against it.
In the same committee on the same day is AB 2902 (Koretz), which allows the AG to re-test guns on the SB 15 so called "safe gun" list and recall models that fail later. Naturally, their idea of a failure and testing is bogus.
To get all the latest "gun" news visit www.calnra.org. To join this alert list, send an e-mail to calnra-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Go to the link for the contact information for the committee members. And please, no threats. That just gives them more, um, "ammunition".
Here is the contact info as posted on the CALNRA.ORG website:
California .50 Caliber Ban HEARING
TUESDAY April 16
Note: The hearing was rescheduled from
April 2
******PLEASE REPOST WIDELY************
AB 2222, which is a .50 caliber ban
has its first hearing on
April 16 in the Assembly Public Safety
Committee. PLEASE FAX AND
TELEPHONE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND
URGE THEM TO VOTE AGAINST THIS
MEASURE AND AB2902. E-MAILS ARE NOT AS
EFFECTIVE,BUT IF THAT IS ALL YOU CAN
MUSTER, DO THAT. CONCENTRATE ON THE
DEMOCRATS.
It would treat .50 caliber rifles as machine guns,
banning future sales and requiring current owners to dispose of them
or register them as destructive devices (virtually impossible in
California). For information on this bill, see the Fifty Caliber
Shooter's Association Policy Institute at www.fcspi.org. They will
have some details on the bill and how to argue the case against
it.
In the same committee on the same day is AB 2902 (Koretz), which
allows the AG to re-test guns on the SB 15 so called "safe gun" list
and recall models that fail later. Naturally, their idea of a failure
and testing is bogus.
To get all the latest "gun" news visit www.calnra.org. To join this
alert list, send an e-mail to calnra-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Committee Phone Number: (916) 319-3744
Committee Email
public.safety@assembly.ca.gov
ASSEMBLY PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE
Committee Member
District
Phone Fax
Carl Washington, Chair
Dem-52
(916) 319-2052
(916) 319-2152 FAX
Jay La Suer, Vice Chair
Rep-77
(916) 319-2077
(916) 319-2177 FAX
Richard L. Dickerson
Rep-2
(916) 319-2002
(916) 319-2102 FAX
Fred Keeley
Dem-27
(916) 319-2027
(916) 319-2127 FAX
Gil Cedillo
Dem-46
(916) 319-2046
(916) 319-2146 FAX
Manny Diaz
Dem-23
(916) 319-2023
(916) 319-2123 FAX
Jackie Goldberg
Dem-45
(916) 319-2045
(916) 319-2145 FAX
HA!
'All your guns are belong to us'
I hope you can get enough people to give them hell. Good luck, we'll be next.
With that said, it would be cool if some machine shop/ firearms manufacturer like RIGHT NOW came up with a wildcat, like a .475 mag, based on the .50 BMG cartridge.
Just like every other state has an "assault weapons" ban?
California is a lost cause. No one in their right mind stays in the State. The sooner it falls off into the ocean the better.
What many don't realize is that the .50BMG is actually a poorly designed round: it was not designed for "sniping" (such uses were discovered & adapted by civilians), and the case size is actually much larger than the bore diameter warrants (you just can't burn all that powder fast enough to be useful; it suffers from the "6 pounds of s*** ina 4 pound bag" syndrome).
While the .338 Lapua round may not have quite the same punch as a .50BMG, it does so from a far more efficient package and still fits most of the overhyped fears described by the Brady Bunch. I've seen the holes it makes in 3/4" armor plate at roughly 1/2 mile distance - quite impressive ("hot knife thru butter"). The maker of the most feared .50BMG rifle, the Barrett M82A1, is already well on their way to making a comparable .338 Lapula product.
The .50 cal ban must be stopped, partly because it will just pave the way for banning .30 cal. Just as the .50 cal ban does not differentiate between the massive .50BMG round and the merely adequate .50AE round, the minds pushing this ban will apply exactly the same hysterical arguments for banning .30 cal because of the powerful .338 Lapua and take out the relatively paltry .30-30 in its wake - and this time there will be precident that will differ by just one digit.
The great irony of anti-gun legislative progress is the remarkable technological progress made to compensate. Making your opponents ticked-off AND efficient is unwise.
That would be a sweet cartridge. It would also keep some gun makers in business if this idiotic bill were to pass, in California and elsewhere.
I don't think .30 cal will ever be seriously targeted for banning (but I could be wrong). Being the mainstay of North American hunting, It has too many "sporting" purposes. What worries me is if these gun grabbing idiots start getting technical and ban cartridges based on "energy at impact", or some such b.s. Of course, if they tried that, millions of us would willingly and proudly become the non law-abiding, armed opposition. I fear it's only a matter of time before we are pushed too far.
I didn't know that, and I thank you for bringing it to my attention.
.338 Lapua bump.
It ain't like that now in ANY state, some are worse than others, that's all. None of them, including vermont, come close to how it used to be, although vermont is far and away the best. Here's an example, don't believe me, start a company, make brand new more than 10 shot mags for anything, not even guns, not even assault rifles, just mags, then open a storefront and try to sell them retail to someone who ain't a cop or dotgov, to just anyone who walks in, see what happens, any state. Your particular great state. See? Inch by inch, it's everywhere, just the speed of change is different.
They been doing it piece by piece, the larger states like cal and new york and illinois are always the canary states, they see what flies and what don't. Once they see it flying there, eventually it gets to other states, again, some quicker, some slower. New Jersey bans almost all assault rifles now don't they? I think the last decent one you can own is the garand, but maybe I'm wrong on that, don't remember now. I don't keep up with all the states so i can't comment. i'll agree cal is one of the worst, but they also got the most votes as a block in the fed house, too. they also control the mass media with their partners in NYC and washington. what happens there is vitally important for everyone, whether we like it or not.
Anyway, I got mixed feelings on cal, there's still a ton of decent folks there, they just got out voted and out bred and out spent. Between the coastal nimrods and the illegals, now into illegals as their number three growth industry, they are surrounded numerically. What choice they got really? Start shootin? You first, be my guest, I'll watch for now. I'm skeptical all this talk of lines in the sand I've heard for decades now is more than talk, or it would have happened already, and it hasn't. What are they supposed to do? Exactly? Just move, then move again, and move again? Vote? Re -read earlier description of what gun laws used to be, been plenty of 'votes' since then, all over heck, it hasn't mattered in the long run. One step forward someplace, 5 steps back is what has happened mostly.
Folks are hanging on to their jobs now, wherever they are living, ain't one hooman bean I know actually believes the governments BS unemployment figures or economic figures, I don't care if they are dems or repubs or purple lipped zulus, NO one believes the government.
Folks in cal are just stuck between their size rock and the hard place we all have in common, that's all. Just their rock is bigger and moves faster than most states rocks.
- .408 Cheyenne Tactical cartridge, which "approaches several of the ballistic characteristic of the .50 Browning cartridge and in some cases, exceeds them. It has the advantage in being 33% lighter than the .50 Browning cartridge."
- Leitner-Wise .499 "firing a 400gr bullet at 1600 fps. Designated 12.5x40mm, the proprietary round feeds from standard AR-15 magazines in a single column with 14 rounds in a 30 round magazine."
- .457 Wild West Magnum
- .45-70 Gov't
New rounds are being invented all the time. Ultimately, whatever limit is legislated will promptly be met with new ammo milled to just .001" under that limit - and likely with superior performance.
Don't forget that after successfully demonizing the ".50 sniper rifles", the anti's will "discover" that REAL snipers use .308!
Stay Safe !
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