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I never said that. But how exactly can you have a global economy with no rules? We at LEAST need one currency. We most likely need a standard or official language. And who is going to put this stuff in place if not a global government force?

Do you want to be forced to convert your money into the Euro or any other currency if the Dollar or US economy begins to suffer? Do we really need hundreds of currencies? How can you stop corporate corruption on a global scale with no government body? What about the liberal media? do you want no way to regulate communists who will go on TV and promote welfare?

I don't know. I just don't see how you can have a global economy with no rules. If there are rules to the free market let me know. Anyway I'm done posting now. You don't want my input. If you want to debate more just send me a private email or message.

So instead of responding to my ideas and debating, you actually want to censor me?

IF I'm wrong then tell me what the conservative ideas are. If you have no ideas then why censor me for having some?

It's your choice. If you only want extreme conservatives on this site its up to you. I'd willingly leave the site if enough people ask me to, no need to ban.

Well then we have found common ground. Progressives arent anti corporations, we are for forcing corporations to be socially responsible. If conservatives are willing to help with this then both sides can punish corporations which exploit all of us, conservatives, liberals, etc.

The only reason companies like Walmart can go around taking advantage of us is because progressives and conservatives fight on culture instead of looking for mutual solutions.

I'm not talking about what unions do. Unions were fine for the past but what I'm thinking about now is conservatives and progressives coming together behind a goal. Such as the goal of forcing corporations to be personally responsible for their actions just as individuals are. If conservatives promote personal responsibility, and corporations are deemed personhood, why not demand corporations take personal responsibility?

Don't think I'm anti corporation, because a corporation which hires me and treats me right, I'll work for that corporation. I'm not anti corporation, I'm not concerned with how I survive as long as there is a clear path and method which allows me and every other American who works hard to survive. I'm for closing the borders because it actually helps Walmart keep wages low.

Now, your comment about corporations moving overseas, GOOD. I hope Walmart moves overseas and stays overseas. If you think we should have a lower standard of living, how can you say you are pro America? How can we remain the greatest country on earth if we don't keep or wages high and our economy strong?

If you really want us to compete globally, without consumers fighting for wage increases, then we need a global currency, a global government force to fight corporate corruption, and we need to provide Americans with every advantage we can over the global competition. What are some conservative ideas for doing this? I see you are listening to my ideas but I'd like to hear some of yours.

No I do not favor welfare. I favor work. WHy would someone want to live off welfare?! I don't know why conservatives think people would want to live like that, its like slavery.

I'm not for wage controls, I'm just giving you some ideas. There are ways to control wages through the market as well. You see we the workers can influence our wages by simply refusing to work for companies which pay low wages and by refusing to by from them. The problem is the majority of my peers are idiots and shop at places because its cheap instead of based on how these places treat their labor force.

I'm a Democrat as in power to the individual worker over the corporation. I'm not a liberal in that I don't actually favor welfare, abortion, or however you are defining liberal. I'm a social liberal in that I think minorities and women arent being treated fairly.

I don't feel entitled to share the wealth with the rich, I feel like taking my share of the wealth. I don't expect it to be given. This means boycotting companies which treat workers like crap, which outsource and cause America to lose its best jobs, and by working for businesses which do treat workers right.

The market can be controlled by the consumers as well as by the employer, and as consumers gather more data on how companies are run, who is running them and how to influence them then through will alone wages will be made higher. Take Walmart for example, which pays employees low wages, instead of buying from Walmart we could boycott Walmart along with a list of companies which treat workers bad. Communities could refuse to allow Walmart to expand in favor of companies which benefit the local community.

Salaries and wages influence how consumers view a company, at least educated consumers. I'm not concerned with the style of regulation. Either the government will regulate the economy or the people will.

Instead of focusing on the method as to which we raise wages, lets discuss the conservative ways of raising wages. This may mean employees rating their boss, company, and environment and creating a do not shop at list or a do not buy list. While not all communities will do this, the communities which refuse to buy from companies which arent socially responsible won't have those businesses in their community.

I'd like you comments on my new ideas and I'd like to hear some ideas of your own on how workers can actually earn an honest living.

I'm not trying to troll I'm asking a legit question. What is the conservative viewpoint on living wages? If you want more information on it look here http://livingwagecampaign.org/

If both sides could support something like this then you can get rid of social programs because people won't need them.

I'm not trying to troll I'm asking a legit question. What is the conservative viewpoint on living wages? If you want more information on it look here http://livingwagecampaign.org/

If both sides could support something like this then you can get rid of social programs because people won't need them.

I don't want welfare. I want liveable wages so anyone who is willing to work hard can live off their job and not welfare, social programs or the government. Are you going for or against this?

Ok we agree on something. I suggest that we progressives and liberals (blue states) set it up so that we fund our social programs through some sort of union. I think we should give red states the ability to opt in or opt out each year. If they opt in for the year then taxes will be higher but there will be money for social programs. If you opt out then taxes will be lower and in these states there will be no social programs.

When its set up like this it restores stability to America in that we wont need to have a culture war anymore. The wars will be local not federal. We'll finally be able to co-exist.

If you agree with this idea please spread it around the conservative community and I will spread it around the progressive community. I think this is the only way it can work because its going to be impossible for either side to force its culture and or way of life on each other. I don't want to give up my social programs, you don't want to pay for them them. Fair enough. Let's let the blue states pay for the blue social programs.

Then both sides can sit back and see which form of government works best.

I have a potential solution. How about we allow states to opt out of social programs and allow other states to keep paying high taxes and keep living with social programs?

Why should this be a federal issue? Why not let it be a state issue?

I'll explain. Single parent households. Segregation. Sexism, Racism. These things do exist, perhaps not for you but they do influence your likelyhood of poverty.

Maybe I should give up here. As I see it poverty doesnt benefit any of us. In a global economy when you have ghettos in this country with people who are living in poverty you won't be as competitive as you would be if everyone had access to a decent education. The way out of poverty should be hard work, but the way out should be highlighted by conservatives.

If education is the way out then don't you think we need to pay for that? If you don't think people in poverty should ever get out of it then how is the ownership society going to work?

Anyway I feel like I'm wasting my effort here. I try to stay calm and have a civil discussion about the core philosophies but many people here insist on tossing insult after insult. I'm not saying progressives wont act the same but we can never fix this country when we can't even debate the merits of the philosophy of both progressives and conservatives.

Most people here seem libertarian. All I want to say is that if you voted for Bush and anything bad happens in these next 4 years, please take responsibility for it. Don't blame liberals this time because Republicans are conservatie right?

I have my doubts about Republicans being conservative. I see government getting bigger, too big, and I see our freedoms being removed. But if you all are comfortable with this then I'll shut up and let the majority have what they want.

Even if you hate me, I don't hate you. In fact I believe we can move beyond such concepts.

First we arent enemies, and we can co-exist. A socialist utopia? No. The goal is not to have a socialist utopia, the goal is to allow everyone to be a winner. We don't really care HOW you make everyone a winner as long as we all win.

A socialist utopia may require taxes and really no one likes to pay taxes. Everyone likes to win however and I don't see why either side would want to have winners and losers when we can all be winners. The question you should ask liberals is how can we all be winners?

No, but taxes don't have to be raised. I'm all for having the least amount of taxes required to have a functional country. I just don't see how we can have a functional country when people don't even get the basics.

equal opportunity, this is good. How can we promote equal oppurtuniy?

I'm assuming you all are serious about promoting this. Also Dr.Rice is exceptional. Do you really think the average American is going to be a genius like Dr.Rice? I don't even think George Bush is as smart as Dr.Rice. By equal opportunity I mean, if you all believe Dr. Rice is great and smart, if she ran for President could she win? If you say you'd vote for her then thats a start.

The second question we have to ask is, what is the secret to Dr. Rice's success? Finally the third question is how can we get more women in office? I think there are lots of women just as qualified as Dr. Rice. I also know that most of us can agree that Obama is qualified. How do we make sure that people who are qualified can move up?

Despite what people here think. I'm not a liberal, I'm a progressive. I'm what you'd consider a socialist because I believe that certain things are a birth right, the ability to be educated, healthcare.

However I'm not a supporter of abortion. I actually despise abortion because I'm pro life in the absolute since. Because I'm pro life I also support giving everyone healthcare. Children who are born into poverty deserve the chance to get out of it and deserve health care.

"First, a little less paranoia would be good for you. Republicans don't hate you. Conservatives don't hate you. Conservatives despise what liberalism does to this nation, and this could certainly be described as "anger," but you don't have to love the sin to love the sinner."

Thats good to hear. I don't hate Republicans I just lack an ability to understand Republican philosophy. I grew up poor, in fact I still am, and the liberals are offering to help me out of poverty. Republicans on the other hand are telling me to get out on my own and some want to actually remove certain programs which are designed to help me.

Believe me, I don't want to be given your money. I want the ability to earn that money WITH your help.

What I notice from this cultural experiment is in general liberals and republicans who arent rich agree on values. There are elite liberals and elite republicans in my opinion who arent real. I don't know how else to say it.


The reason Liberals are upset with George Bush is not because of the Republican values, some of your values I agree with. I do think people should work hard I just don't think Bush is making it easier. Outsourcing is not benefiting either of us and in my opinion its not compatible with either philosophy.

The reason I'm concerned about the Republican party is that certain individuals in your party do seem to hate liberals. This may not be the majority of your party but there are people in your party who hate gays, who hate minorities, and who don't seem to care about equality. Is equality a Republican value? If it is then Democrats and Republicans can establish a dialog on this issue to find a solution both sides can accept.

Universal healthcare and education are things I think Republicans might want to think twice about. When Americans are more educated than the rest of the world it makes our country stronger. When Americans are healthiest, plagues like the avian flu, diabetes and heart disease won't slow down our economy. We have to understand that when our workers arent healthy our profits suffer. We also have to understand that if just one worker can't get a flu shot then all of us could get the flu.

I'm not a liberal in that I do believe in a god. I'm not a supporter of gay marriage because I don't believe gays belong in the church, but I don't hate gays and think gays need to belong somewhere even if its not in the church. I do respect minorities (Actually I am one). I don't think the Republican party does much for them. I'm not saying Democrats do anything either, but I'd like to hear Republican ideas on how to establish a fair society.

The economics, I'm not for higher taxes, I don't want to take your money. I just view certain things as an investment instead of robbery. I view funding education as an investment which many Republican business owners could benefit from. I view the healthcare situation as a national security concern.

Ok, I have more questions for you all, but I have some examples at well.

The reason liberals think Republicans(not conservatives in general) hate liberals is simply due to some of the rhetoric used by many very popular spokespersons for the party.

I'm not saying liberals don't have their extremes, but Republicans basically run the entire government now. So why as many Republicans still angree?

Also, what does the Republican utopia look like? I'm not against freedom or liberty. I don't want the government to give me free money, however I do expect the government to stop outsourcing jobs so I can make money and not have to beg the government for it. What is the Republican stance on outsourcing?

I also asked how far right is too right, meaning do we want to get rid of all social programs, public schools, everything, or do we want to keep these things? If you get rid of these things then the economy has to be kicking all ass to support 300 million people with jobs. How do Republicans plan to protect our jobs? Is having jobs by the Republican philosophy a birth right and what happens to people who don't have jobs when there are no social programs?

What does the Republican society look like? Is it a society which liberals can co-exist in or not? Thats the question. If liberals knew they could co-exist in a Republican society I don't think they'd attack Bush so hard, but as things are Liberals feel Republicans are trying to bully them. We either don't understand your ideology or we don't know where we fit in it.

Where to liberals fit in the Republican world? And try to respond in a civil way, no teasing or bullying because it only reinforces some of the stereotypes liberals have about you.

I'll respond, but most of the responses were liberal hate posts about how the right can't wait for us to leave.

My question is, how can we share America? Perhaps one way would be to simply be states rights, and by doing this we seperate the federal government from the states. This way liberals live in all the blue states and conservatives in the red states.

The problem is, every time a liberal posts anything, it seems a lot of Republicans wont even listen. Most of the responses are "Ah just like them liberals, get out and stay out!" type of responses.

2. Is your goal to make Liberals to leave America?

3. If you want us to stay, when does this country go too far to the right?

4. If you want us to leave, will the US government pay for our plane tickets?

These are 4 questions only Republicans can answer, this means only the Republican community. The goal is to build a framework of civil communication between Liberals and Republicans. Do Republican plan to share this country or should Liberals leave?