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A liberal - To the Republican community. Should we leave? [too DUmb to ZOT]

Posted on 02/13/2005 2:00:25 AM PST by The_Liberal Person

A liberal - To the Republican community.

1. What are your goals as Republicans?

2. Is your goal to make Liberals to leave America?

3. If you want us to stay, when does this country go too far to the right?

4. If you want us to leave, will the US government pay for our plane tickets?


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To: The_Liberal Person
Goals -

1. End tyranny, free all mankind.
2. End terrorism, all self appointed political murderers rendered dead or impotent.
3. End the spread of nuclear technology and weapons.
4. Keep the US the world's strongest power without a rival.
5. Use that power to defend freedom, order, and prosperity throughout the world.
6. End abortion, let all the unborn live, a culture of life.
7. End socialism, create an opportunity and ownership society. No one dependent on handouts, everyone a possessor of property.
8. End tenure, quotas, and union rules in hiring. Merit only, everywhere and always.
9. End junk science, sophistry, and identity posing in society, education, and academe. Truth, real knowledge, and virtue the only passports to leadership.
10. Use the resulting free meritocratic society to achieve permanent prosperity for all.

Want liberals to leave America -

I want them to stop being liberals and support all of the above. If they remain liberals I want them to at least become patriots - and get a job. If they aren't willing to do either, then it would tickle me pink if they left the country, since clearly they have no allegiance to it. Their "country" is their wretched, failed ideology. Let me promote it to fools somewhere else - and not live by sponging off of the rest of us.

If want to stay - don't, so not applicable.

Government pay plane tickets - How socialist. No, we believe in private funding for such purposes. We will all gladly chip in to buy you plane tickets out of the country, on the sole condition that you irrevocably bind yourself, legally speaking, never to come back.

161 posted on 02/13/2005 6:04:05 AM PST by JasonC
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To: The_Liberal Person

If you want us to leave, will the US government pay for our plane tickets?

Typical liberal. Why don't you go to the library and brush up on your ignorance?

162 posted on 02/13/2005 6:05:23 AM PST by PilloryHillary (Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?)
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To: The_Liberal Person
1. What are your goals as Republicans?
To keep this nation from turning into the tepid piles of mush that are the nations of Europe. Soon these nations will be hate-filled Islamic piles.

2. Is your goal to make Liberals to leave America? Ideally, my goal would be to live to see the day that you liberals come to grips with reality.

3. If you want us to stay, when does this country go too far to the right?
There are extremes. Extremism, in general, is bad. Take the Democrat Party leadership, for instance. Kennedy, Pelosi, Hillary [inspite of the sleight-of-had she's trying to pull right now-- she's scheming evil]. How about that propagandsitic liar Michael Moore. Hiw own home town can't stand him. I think he makes a good representation of the Party right now-- dishonest, rudderless, and wrong.

4. If you want us to leave, will the US government pay for our plane tickets?
You guys were the ones who started talking about leaving if Bush won. WAH!! First it was your Hollywood know-nothings. If you people have no faith in this country and the way it's worked for centuries, then go-- but pay your own way instead of expecting a handout.

163 posted on 02/13/2005 6:06:05 AM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary Clinton: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: The_Liberal Person

Answers to the questions:

1. Our goals as Republicans are to maintain and strengthen our leadership role in the nation and the world. To keep personal liberties and freedoms more important than the collective.

2.Making Liberals leave America is not a goal, just a pleasantly surprising bi-product of the democratic process. You see where there is democracy, there really can be no liberals. The two are anethema.

3. Two parter. First we could care less if you stay or leave. Second, when we start making you leave at gunpoint...well that might be a bit much.

4. Simple. Yes.



164 posted on 02/13/2005 6:09:15 AM PST by trubluolyguy ("I like you, therefore when I rule the world, your death shall be quick and painless")
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To: The_Liberal Person
First, a little less paranoia would be good for you. Republicans don't hate you. Conservatives don't hate you. Conservatives despise what liberalism does to this nation, and this could certainly be described as "anger," but you don't have to love the sin to love the sinner.

Many liberals don't seem to be able to separate disagreement with their beliefs from an ad hominem attack. Therefore, they respond not with ideas, but with personal attacks. e.g. "Bush is Hitler, etc." Any rational person with a knowledge of the two men can see that falsehood of that statement. My advice to you: Never make any similar such foolish statement, even when your audience would be inclined to agree. Be honest with yourself.

Also, what does the Republican utopia look like?

I can't speak for the Republican party, but I'll give you a quick and easy run down on a basic Conservative utopia:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


I hope that helps.
165 posted on 02/13/2005 6:09:40 AM PST by NationSoConceived ("Truth bestows no pardon upon error, but wipes it out in the most effectual manner." - M.B.E.)
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To: The_Liberal Person

"A liberal - To the Republican community. Should we leave? [too DUmb to ZOT]"
Note amended title.
The Mods have spoken.


166 posted on 02/13/2005 6:24:57 AM PST by Darksheare (Red Sun rising, Drown without inhaling. Within, the dark holds hard. Higher than hope my cure lies.)
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To: NationSoConceived

Despite what people here think. I'm not a liberal, I'm a progressive. I'm what you'd consider a socialist because I believe that certain things are a birth right, the ability to be educated, healthcare.

However I'm not a supporter of abortion. I actually despise abortion because I'm pro life in the absolute since. Because I'm pro life I also support giving everyone healthcare. Children who are born into poverty deserve the chance to get out of it and deserve health care.

"First, a little less paranoia would be good for you. Republicans don't hate you. Conservatives don't hate you. Conservatives despise what liberalism does to this nation, and this could certainly be described as "anger," but you don't have to love the sin to love the sinner."

Thats good to hear. I don't hate Republicans I just lack an ability to understand Republican philosophy. I grew up poor, in fact I still am, and the liberals are offering to help me out of poverty. Republicans on the other hand are telling me to get out on my own and some want to actually remove certain programs which are designed to help me.

Believe me, I don't want to be given your money. I want the ability to earn that money WITH your help.

What I notice from this cultural experiment is in general liberals and republicans who arent rich agree on values. There are elite liberals and elite republicans in my opinion who arent real. I don't know how else to say it.


The reason Liberals are upset with George Bush is not because of the Republican values, some of your values I agree with. I do think people should work hard I just don't think Bush is making it easier. Outsourcing is not benefiting either of us and in my opinion its not compatible with either philosophy.

The reason I'm concerned about the Republican party is that certain individuals in your party do seem to hate liberals. This may not be the majority of your party but there are people in your party who hate gays, who hate minorities, and who don't seem to care about equality. Is equality a Republican value? If it is then Democrats and Republicans can establish a dialog on this issue to find a solution both sides can accept.

Universal healthcare and education are things I think Republicans might want to think twice about. When Americans are more educated than the rest of the world it makes our country stronger. When Americans are healthiest, plagues like the avian flu, diabetes and heart disease won't slow down our economy. We have to understand that when our workers arent healthy our profits suffer. We also have to understand that if just one worker can't get a flu shot then all of us could get the flu.

I'm not a liberal in that I do believe in a god. I'm not a supporter of gay marriage because I don't believe gays belong in the church, but I don't hate gays and think gays need to belong somewhere even if its not in the church. I do respect minorities (Actually I am one). I don't think the Republican party does much for them. I'm not saying Democrats do anything either, but I'd like to hear Republican ideas on how to establish a fair society.

The economics, I'm not for higher taxes, I don't want to take your money. I just view certain things as an investment instead of robbery. I view funding education as an investment which many Republican business owners could benefit from. I view the healthcare situation as a national security concern.




167 posted on 02/13/2005 6:29:45 AM PST by The_Liberal Person
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To: The_Liberal Person

What on earth were you thinking when you posted this trash at 0500 est?

Ah, there it is, isn't it.....

I assumed that you were capable of thinking.

My bad.


168 posted on 02/13/2005 6:35:41 AM PST by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: BushCountry

lol....that one is great too!!! My hubby will love it! Thx, again!


169 posted on 02/13/2005 6:36:03 AM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine!)
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To: The_Liberal Person
Is equality a Republican value?

Yes. But equal opportunity, not necessarily equal results.

...there are people in your party who hate gays, who hate minorities...

Which ones? I don't know any.

170 posted on 02/13/2005 6:38:34 AM PST by G.Love (Senate majority - use it or lose it.)
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To: The_Liberal Person

All you need to know is this. Read it and know, this is what we want from our government. You say you are a minority, maybe you should look at Dr. Rice's history, she has made a huge success for herself and didn't need the government's help.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment VII

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html


171 posted on 02/13/2005 6:42:59 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: MadIvan
so long as we establish where the liberals are to go to, and it's not Britain.

They can exchange their official renouncement of US Citizenship for a ticket out of the country.

Perhaps Zimbabwe?

172 posted on 02/13/2005 6:51:24 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: Samurai_Jack
I always thought Antarctica would be nice.
173 posted on 02/13/2005 6:53:30 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: The_Liberal Person
"1. What are your goals as Republicans? "

End dependence upon government handouts, exceedingly reduced taxes, and lots of humor.

"2. Is your goal to make Liberals to leave America? "

No, you guys are so irrelevant these days that you'll have to leave on your own.

"3. If you want us to stay, when does this country go too far to the right? "

Who said we want you to stay?


"4. If you want us to leave, will the US government pay for our plane tickets? "


Buy your own darn plane tickets, or have Kerry buy you plane tickets.
Many liberals believe in 'dispossessing the wealthy' and yet they don't decry the wealth of wealthy libs.
Buy your own mass ticket blocks.
174 posted on 02/13/2005 6:53:35 AM PST by Darksheare (Red Sun rising, Drown without inhaling. Within, the dark holds hard. Higher than hope my cure lies.)
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To: The_Liberal Person
2. Is your goal to make Liberals to leave America?

No way!!!

You can stay, the rest can go. We want you to remain (albeit in a cage or something) to remind us of how screwed up the current crop of liberals are so future generations won't become brain dead and make the same mistake twice.

175 posted on 02/13/2005 6:53:52 AM PST by b4its2late (I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.)
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To: The_Liberal Person

176 posted on 02/13/2005 6:57:25 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Samurai_Jack
Perhaps Zimbabwe?

I suggest the Central African Republic - it's largely run by the French, and even well educated people have trouble placing it...or even remembering it exists.

Regards, Ivan

177 posted on 02/13/2005 7:02:00 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: Lazamataz

Ouch!


178 posted on 02/13/2005 7:02:27 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: The_Liberal Person

"1. What are your goals as Republicans?"

Answer: (a) To get you dumb lefties to understand, appreciate, and defend this great country and its value to mankind, rather than tearing it down at every juncture. (b) Educate the left on personal responsibility and the unimportance of government as the answer to life's problems.


179 posted on 02/13/2005 7:04:44 AM PST by laishly
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To: armymarinemom
Hey, I got one of those too! My daughter.


180 posted on 02/13/2005 7:04:56 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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