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ya nehhhhhhh-ver know! ;)


welp, g'nite to ya opti...

(*heads for that rack to catch some ZZzz*)

it's getting late (at least where i am), typos are excusable (lord know i made a few in one of my previous posts).

but, are you sure that wasn't a Freudian slip...unreported income? you non-law abider! (just kidding!) ;)

Yes, they have no respect for the law. Just because they thought they might get off easy if they turned their potential terrorist asses in, is no reason to show mercy.



Also, can you believe this bullshit?:


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''We have had hundreds of people detained in Orange County, Calif., Chicago, Michigan and New York,'' said Jason Erb, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. ''Some had their permanent status pending, some had their paperwork lost by the INS. They are getting swept up by this.''


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=676&ncid=716&e=20&u=/usatoday/20021218/ts_usatoday/4710077

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Permanent status pending, yeah right! Lost their paperwork? har har har! bureaucrats never makes such mistakes (accidently or intentionally).

"The arrests were part of a post Sept. 11 program that requires all males over 16 from a list of 20 Arab or Middle East countries, who do not have permanent resident status in the United States, to register with U.S. immigration authorities. Monday was the deadline for men from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Sudan. News of the mass arrests came first in southern California, which is home to more than 600,000 Iranian exiles and their families"

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Cool. They should be tortured into admitting that they have sympathesize or have connections to al-quaalude, too. Then their families can be put into the detainment facilities too, and their assets siezed. this could help with national debt, 'specially if there is some oil money. very likely, the money would be used to support terrorism anyway.

They could even sell off their Persion rugs in those auctions like the DEA has when they sells assests of a busted a drug dealer.

Leave their gold fillings alone though, to do otherwise would be uncivilized.

"The inside of these hospital cars can be made to different sizes. Along with this comes a mortuary embalming station. This was originally developed by Arms Corps in South Africa with the concept that patients are embalmed onsite. This negates mass burials or graves. The remains are preserved. It can handle 800 bodies an hour. The bodies are embalmed, put into body bags, and stored at room temperature for later burial when the incident is over."

http://cryptome.org/disaster-train.htm

All of you worry too much about Democratic filth getting into office, and using all these new government powers that are neccesary to fight the Terror War. Well, it's a justifiable concern, but there are solutions:

Amend the Constitution, or find a suitable work-around to the 22 Amendment while a Republican is in the oval office. The public will understand that there is an imminent need for continuity in government, since it has been determined that War on Terror is not likely to end for a very long time, if ever. And if something unforeseen should happen, there is a shadow government in place too, and rest assured the shadow government are good people (not communist DEMONcRATS, or LIEberals who spawned the like of Islamicist John Walker), as Cheney and friends know what they are doing.

Precriminals are doubleplusungood:

"We need some new system to handle suspected terrorists, outside the standard criminal and military paradigms that have proven a worse fit with each successive case. We need some forward-looking system, based on the likelihood of future danger.
       We need a Bureau of Precrime."

Department of Precrime

To be a consistent conservative you most likely do. Somebody who believes that "survival of the fittest' is the only moral law in nature might call himself a conservative and behave in a manner consistent with his belief by being a robber baron like Andrew Carnegie, a criminal of some sort or a nazi (or a cannibal like Jeffrey Dahmer), but the word "conservative" igtself connotes some sort of an effort to preserve the values which have guided human society over the last couple of thousand years, and it's hard to picture an atheist making any sort of a serious effort to do that, as opposed to merely looking out for number one.

A couple URLS came to mind after reading your post. You might enjoy the reading, even if you don't agree with all the info therein. Following are some excerpts:

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Social Darwinism

Social Darwinism: The phrase "Social Darwinism" dates from the 1930's, but as an intellectual movement, it dates from 1859, the year Darwins Origin was published. The concept embraces all efforts to apply Darwinian biology and evolution to human society. Given the fact that Darwinism rapidly became the orthodox biology and evolutionary science, Social Darwinism underlies virtually all of the social sciences. One key premise is that "the masses are unprincipled, dangerous to themselves, society and the planet."

There are two basic schools of thought regarding an "appropriate" response to this condition: (1) Laissez faire,--do nothing for the masses except that which will accelerate their self-destruction; and (2) exercise complete control over the masses, and at the same time refine the scientific means to "handle the problem of the masses" at a fundamental level, e.g., the genetic level. Historically, laissez-faire did not work. The masses proved "far more cunning" than the elites supposed. Thus, option (2) became the standard policy; in political terms, this option translates into "state socialism." State socialism is not the bright-eyed optimistic socialism of those who invented socialism, the "utopian scientists" according to Marx. State socialism is a direct political expression of Social Darwinism.

Suppression of Knowledge of Symbiotic Evolution

Suppressed: Symbiotic Evolution, i.e., evolution through the establishment of cooperative [rather than competitive] relationships among organisms. See discussion in the main narrative of Petr "Prince" Kropotkin's Mutual Aid--A Factor of Evolution. In the 1880's and 1890's, Kropotkin published a number of excellent papers challenging the Hobbesian Darwinism of Huxley et al. Kropotkin was ignored.

http://www.trufax.org/avoid/scieng.html

Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution, by Peter Kropotkin.

Jose Padilla aka Abdullah al-Muhajir. A Gift from G'wad, to the Thought Police.

If you haven't seen it already, check out the conclusion of the following article at MSNBC: "We need a Bureau of Precrime"

You people who object to surveillance are a bunch of tinfoil hat wearing paranoids. Or, you are ignorant about what's at stake here. Perhaps one of the most serious threats America has ever faced. There are enemies overseas who have or seek Weapons of Mass Destruction to use against us.

And there are enemies within, who are plotting ways to carry out atrocities, and are planning to strike.

Wake up and think, people! Our Great Nation is at War against those who despise our Freedom and wish to destroy us! And there are those who wish to hinder the Homeland Security Forces ability to do their jobs???

There are families who are willing to be implanted with chips in order to help the authorities combat terror. And on the other hand, there are objections to having your phones tapped, Internet activities monitored, surveillance cameras, etc?? Can you not see how wrong-headed this is? Is it just plain ignorance, or is it a form of mental illness? A subconscious death wish for themselves, their loved ones, and all of America?

Leslie, 46, said she was motivated by security concerns. The Sept. 11 terrorist attacks hit close to home: Her family lives in South Florida, where authorities say 14 of the 19 hijackers lived. Her office is a block away from tabloid publisher American Media, where a photo editor died after contracting anthrax.

The world would be a safer place if authorities had a tamper-proof way of identifying people, she said.

"I have nothing to hide, so I wouldn't mind having the chip for verification," Leslie Jacobs said. "I already have an ID card, so why not have a chip?"

http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,50187,00.html

More citizens should be following the fine example set forth by the Jacobs family. Please write to your Congressmen, and tell them you would like to see more surveillance, and would like a National ID program that includes chip implants.

"Im in Grosse Ile, in the middle of the river..."

Watch out, Moleman...

Harry Anslinger

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"And grow marijuana which both Washington and Jefferson did. No, I don't have a source off hand so you can discount that the same as you would even if I did give you a source. Actually, it's almost common knowledge on these threads and I wouldn't be surprised if another Freeper posted a source."

Here is a source on Washington (emphasis added):

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The hemp (Cannabis sativa) plant has been recognized as having great utility for thousands of years. It is included in a compendium of medicines complied for the Chinese Emperor Shen Nung (circa 2727 BC). Cultivation began in America at the Jamestown, Viginia settlement. Not long after 1611, money, charts, maps, and canvasses for oil paintings used hemp fiber. George Washington grew the plant at his Mount Vernon home; it has been suggested, after careful study of his diaries that the first president separated the potent female plants for his personal medicinial use (Tyler, 1995). The first American law pertaining to cannabis was passed by the Virginia Assembly in 1619; it required every farmer to grow it. Hemp was a valuable commodity as well as a strategic necessity. Its fibers were used to make sails and riggings. Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Maryland allowed hemp to be exchanged as legal tender (Schlosser, 1994). By the end of the nineteenth century, cannabis preparations were used to treat coughing, fatigue, rheumatism, asthma, delirium tremens, migraines, and painful menstruation (Tyler, 1995).

Mexican immigration after 1910 led to a reaction both against the immigrants and the marijuana they smoked. Police officers in Texas claimed that marijuana aroused violent crimes, a lust for blood, and gave its users superhuman strength. In 1914, El Paso, Texas enacted what may have been the first U.S. ordinance banning the sale or possession of marijuana. By 1931, twenty-nine states had outlawed cannabis. These efforts were enhanced by headlines of the day, for example: "Deadly Marijuana Dope Plant Ready for Harvest that Means Enslavement of California Children." Harry S. Anslinger, in public appearances and radio broadcasts asserted that the use of this evil weed led to killings, sex crimes, and insanity. He wrote a magazine article entitled "Marijuana: Assassin of Youth." In 1937 Congress passed the Marijuana Tax Act effectively criminalizing the possession of marijuana throughout the U.S. (Schlosser, 1994). The AMA initially protested the loss of a therapeutic agent but soon fell into line (Tyler, 1995). In 1944, when the New York Academy of Medicine, after years of research, reported that marijuana did not cause violent behavior, provoke insanity, lead to addiction, or lead to opiate use, Anslinger denounced the authors as dangerous and strange. It was not until 1970 that the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act finally differentiated marijuana from other "narcotics" and reduced federal penalties for possession of small amounts. Then came the Reagan years. The Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984, the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986, and the Anti-Drug Abuse Amendment Act of 1988 raised federal penalties for marijuana possession once again (Schlosser, 1994).

(Side note: In his memoir, The Murderers, Anslinger confessed to having arranged a regular supply of morphine for an influential member of Congress who had become an addict. Anslinger's biographer believes that addict was Senator Joseph R. McCarthy (Schlosser, 1994).)

Marijuana (cannabis) is currently classified as a Schedule I controlled substance.

URL/source of the above excerpt: http://www.toad.net/~arcturus/dd/marijuan.htm

Glad ya liked it, Buckeroo :)

WARNING! NEW DRUG ON THE STREET CALLED CRACK P.M

It helps addicts get 8 hours sleep - so they stay hooked longer!

By ROSE BROWN

BOGOTA, Colombia - Colombian drug lords had a problem: Their best customers kept dying due to health problems caused, in part, by lack of sleep.

Say hello to "Crack P.M.", a new cocaine product with a sleep additive that lets addicts get high but still enjoy the health benefits of a full night's rest.

And Drug Enforcement Agency insiders admit the terrifying new drug has received rave reviews from addicts in all three U.S. cities where it's been test-marketed by Columbian kingpins.

"It's fantastic," a Miami security guard who claims to have been hooked on crack for the last three years told reporters.

"I used to show up for work all bleary-eyed and starved for sleep. Now I switch to Crack P.M. after dinner, hit the sack by 10, and wake up refreshed and ready to get high and put in a full day's work."

An all-night New York cabbie also gives the new drug a big thumbs up.

"Sleeping during the day isn't easy when you're buzzed out of your mind. Crack P.M. changed my life."

DEA watchdogs confirm the terrifying new drug is the brainchild of Colombian cocaine kingpin known only as "The Viper".

He reportedly told Colum-bian newspaper through his attorneys: "You can't make money when your customers keep dropping dead. Most Americans live past 70. Your average crackhead never sees 50.

"We had to do something."

"Now crackheads get their sleep, employers get better work, and our customers stay hooked for many more years!" beamed The Viper. "It's win-win for everybody."

The Viper refused to confirm rumors about New Crack with Extra Vitamin C, but smiled and said, "If it keeps them alive and buying, I'm all in favor of it."

Published on: March 1, 2002

Mark, thanks for the reply. You should listen to you mother ;) (although I don't always listen to mine...heh). As far as the history, I know Theodore Roosevelt gave an ear to Upton Sinclair after he wrote "The Jungle" ... but, I really don't have the time to research all the arguments regarding whether or not the actual creation of FDA was unconstitutional (and I'm not gonna take your word for it that it wasn't), although a quick google search seems to reveal that the FDA people have engaged in a few Constitutionally questionable activities from time to time.

Anyway, suffice it say for now, that I have plenty bitches about the WoD. The WoD has been blatantly unsuccessful as to its stated purpose (but it has been successful at fattening up agencies like the DEA, enriching their outlaw drug cartel counterparts due price inflation, etc.), and, I think the WoD has done substantionally more harm then good to our country.

Also, here's a couple links you and others might enjoy reading (whether or not you agree with them in whole or in part... I don't agree with every point in the articles myself), if you haven't seen them.

A special report by a Libertarian on the War on Drugs, that brings up the issues of slavery
and the 13th Amendment: http://injusticeline.com/slave2.html

And: http://www.spunk.org/library/writers/black/sp001675.html

What was the point of this tread, anyway? Possibly to smear Libertarians?

It seems like Dems (Dems often, because of their stance on gun control) and Repubs both like to smear Libertarians. It's obvious Libertarians are more of threat to the Republican base though, even though there are some Libertarians that lean left of center on economical issues. And not all Libertarians are Randians. Personally, I'm an independant, with some libertarian tendencies...I'm not the type to walk into a voting booth and mindlessly pull all the Dem levers or all the Republican levers. Some would accuse me of being left-of-center on some issues, because I believe Labor Unions played a large role in making a prominent middle-class a reality in this country. Of course, just as one example, I'll state that I like the idea of private property, before a reactionary accuses me of being a Stalin worshipping communist.

Anyway, whether or not this thread was a smear tactic, it's been an interesting debate to read.

It's likely Ross Perot did it. He still harbors a grudge the size of Texas against the Bush Clan. Although, no doubt Clinton may be involved (after all, Perot had a direct, clandestine deal with Clinton , and helped him defeat Bush Sr. in '92).