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WHY A HIGH SOCIETY IS A FREE SOCIETY
The Guardian UK ^ | 5/19/02 | A C Grayling

Posted on 05/18/2002 7:44:57 PM PDT by LarryLied

One measure of a good society is whether its individual members have the autonomy to do as they choose in respects that principally concern only them. The debate about heroin, cocaine and marijuana touches precisely on this. In my submission, a society in which such substances are legal and available is a good society not because drugs are in themselves good, but because the autonomy of those who wish to use them is respected. For other and broader reasons, many of them practical, such a society will be a better one.

I have never taken drugs other than alcohol, nicotine, caffeine and medicinal drugs. Of these, I have for many years not taken the two former. I think it is inimical to a good life to be dependent for pleasure and personal fulfilment on substances which gloss or distort reality and interfere with rationality; and yet I believe that heroin, cocaine, marijuana, ecstasy and cognates of these should be legal and available in exactly the same way as nicotine and alcohol.

In logic is no difference between legal and currently illegal drugs. Both are used for pleasure, relief from stress or anxiety, and 'holidaying' from normal life, and both are, in different degrees, dangerous to health. Given this, consistent policy must do one of two things: criminalise the use of nicotine and alcohol, in order to bring them in line with currently illegal substances; or legalise currently illegal substances under the same kinds of regime that govern nicotine and alcohol.

On civil liberties grounds the latter policy is preferable because there is no justification in a good society for policing behaviour unless, in the form of rape, murder, theft, riot or fraud, it is intrinsically damaging to the social fabric, and involves harm to unwilling third parties. Good law protects in these respects; bad law tries to coerce people into behaving according to norms chosen by people who claim to know and to do better than those for whom they legislate. But the imposition of such norms is an injustice. By all means let the disapprovers argue and exhort; giving them the power to coerce and punish as well is unacceptable.

Arguments to the effect that drugs should be kept illegal to protect children fall by the same token. On these grounds, nicotine and alcohol should be banned too. In fact there is greater danger to children from the illegality of drugs.

Almost everyone who wishes to try drugs, does so; almost everyone who wishes to make use of drugs does it irrespective of their legal status. Opponents say legalisation will lead to unrestrained use and abuse. Yet the evidence is that where laws have been relaxed there is little variation in frequency or kind of use.

The classic example is Prohibition in the USA during the 1920s. (The hysteria over alcohol extended to other drugs; heroin was made illegal in the USA in 1924, on the basis of poor research on its health risks and its alleged propensity to cause insanity and criminal behaviour.) Prohibition created a huge criminal industry. The end of Prohibition did not result in a frenzy of drinking, but did leave a much-enhanced crime problem, because the criminals turned to substances which remained illegal, and supplied them instead.

Crime destabilises society. Gangland rivalry, the use of criminal organisations to launder money, to fund terrorism and gun-running, to finance the trafficking of women and to buy political and judicial influence all destabilise the conditions for a good society far beyond such problems as could be created by private individuals' use of drugs. If drugs were legally and safely available through chemist shops, and if their use was governed by the same provisions as govern alcohol purchase and consumption, the main platform for organised crime would be removed, and thereby one large obstacle to the welfare of society.

It would also remove much petty crime, through which many users fund their habit. If addiction to drugs were treated as a medical rather than criminal matter, so that addicts could get safe, regular supplies on prescription, the crime rate would drop dramatically, as argued recently by certain police chiefs.

The safety issue is a simple one. Paracetemol is more dangerous than heroin. Taking double the standard dose of paracetemol, a non-prescription analgesic, can be dangerous. Taking double the standard medical dose of heroin (diamorphine) causes sleepiness and no lasting effects.

A good society should be able to accommodate practices which are not destructive of social bonds (in the way that theft, rape, murder and other serious crimes are), but mainly have to do with private behaviour. In fact, a good society should only interfere in private behaviour in extremis.

Until a century ago, now-criminal substances were legal and freely available. Some (opium in the form of laudanum) were widely used. Just as some people are damaged by misuse of alcohol, so a few were adversely affected by misuses of other drugs. Society as a whole was not adversely affected by the use of drugs; but it was benefited by the fact that it did not burden itself with a misjudged, unworkable and paternalistic endeavour to interfere with those who chose to use drugs.

The place of drugs in the good society is not about the drugs as such, but rather the freedom and the value to individuals and their society of openness to experimentation and alternative behaviours and lifestyles. The good society is permissive, seeking to protect third parties from harm but not presuming to order people to take this or that view about what is in their own good.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: drugs; wod; wodlist
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To: Buckeroo
Considering you're part of the pro-drug crowd, I'm surprised you haven't loaded the fridge up with a 6 pack of morphine for the weekend.

Get your own damn beer, in other words.

Ivan

501 posted on 05/19/2002 2:29:06 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Let's clarify your statement. I am not PRO-DRUG. I am PRO-RIGHTS based upon the Constitution, not just some snooty interpretation of it.
502 posted on 05/19/2002 2:32:11 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Zon

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504 posted on 05/19/2002 2:33:44 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Buckeroo
I am PRO-RIGHTS based upon the Constitution

The right to cook and slam smack shall not be infringed?

505 posted on 05/19/2002 2:35:05 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Cultural Jihad
From a "man" that believes he has a right not to feel sad I expect such irrationality.

To: southern rock

The right to manufacture, sell, and comsume is a legitimate right, because in doing so, I am neither bothering or asking anything of anyone else.

Your supposed "right" to destroy yourself infringes on my right to pursue happiness, being sad at having to sit by and watch people needlessly suffer and die.

920 posted on 1/1/02 3:50 PM Pacific by Cultural Jihad


506 posted on 05/19/2002 2:35:09 PM PDT by Zon
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To: MadIvan
Quae quia non liceat non facit, illa facit.
507 posted on 05/19/2002 2:35:13 PM PDT by Pistias
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To: Buckeroo
Your founding fathers repeated a statement on a number of occasions saying the Constitution was only intended for a moral people. You are saying you are pro-rights, but you are talking about adding new rights for a society that has rejected the idea of both shame and responsibility. And any legalisation of narcotics will not work unless taking drugs is considered deeply shameful without the force of law (and not "cool" like many young kids will see it), and people are willing to take responsibility for their actions. And in this day and age, if LSD was legalised, people would sue the manufacturer for any bad trips they took.

Be pro-responsibility and pro-morality before we even start discussing drug legalisation. For it to be anywhere outside of creating chaos, you'd have to reimpose Victorian morals (the late 19th century was the last time recreational drugs were totally legal), and somehow I doubt you closet lefty Libertarians would like that.

Ivan

508 posted on 05/19/2002 2:38:57 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: LarryLied
Just say no!
509 posted on 05/19/2002 2:39:42 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: tpaine
Haha!! I'll go nowhere, Slurpy! Nothing's more fun than pulling your rancid chain. Just the image of you sitting in your own poop, ranting your toxic rants, is more fun than a precious, adorable creature like moi could have.

Of course, the smell is oppressive, but we've gotten used to it on threads you pollute.

Rave on!! Show the folks how the Noel Coward of the Depends set enraptures his readers.

510 posted on 05/19/2002 2:40:25 PM PDT by Deb
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To: Buckeroo
Glad ya liked it, Buckeroo :)
511 posted on 05/19/2002 2:40:25 PM PDT by Mong
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To: Cultural Jihad
That's not my Web site. I'm flattered though. Thanks for advertising it anyhow. BTW, they welcome positive comments as well as negative comments. If you haven't already you should really post a comment. They prominently display both links on their home page. In fact, Neo-Tech thrives on attacks. So help out by posting a negative comment at the The Neo-Tech Web site.
512 posted on 05/19/2002 2:41:16 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Thanks for that re-hash! CJ is always a source of unintended hilarity. Now that we got him, Roscoe and Kevin Curry in their circle jerk, can Dane be far behind?

Coming from a person who personifies the circle jerk one issue political party(the one issue being the worship of marijuana and other 60's counter culture drugs, the political party Libertarian), I find your above statement hilarious.

513 posted on 05/19/2002 2:41:31 PM PDT by Dane
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To: MadIvan
Keep talking, baby. We need REAL folks talking about this issue. It is the only way we learn.
514 posted on 05/19/2002 2:41:51 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Cultural Jihad
Hey, the 'repetition thing' is roscoes favorite, along with 'cites'. - You dissing him, CJ?

He IS sorta a Mojo/DonMorgan crossbreed, come to think of it. -- Hmmmm.

515 posted on 05/19/2002 2:42:04 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Buckeroo
Go away, oh doper patriot, I'm playing with a creature of the night.
516 posted on 05/19/2002 2:43:00 PM PDT by Deb
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To: LarryLied
This diatribe is a waste of perfectly good bandwidth. Drug addicts are the perps. of most crime in this country. If a person wants to be truely free, try Jesus Christ, his truth will set you free, for eternity!
517 posted on 05/19/2002 2:45:04 PM PDT by exnavy
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To: Buckeroo
I disagree. Talking about sh!tting one's pants w/one's words and circle-jerks were par for the course at the Founding debates.
518 posted on 05/19/2002 2:46:35 PM PDT by Pistias
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To: Demidog
I love it when you guys start tossing the gender-specific insults. It makes you look so stupid to miss the target by such a HUGE margin. We get a giggle though.
519 posted on 05/19/2002 2:48:30 PM PDT by Deb
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To: Deb
Nothing's more fun

It's like a Tourette's Syndrome Parade.

520 posted on 05/19/2002 2:49:01 PM PDT by Roscoe
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