Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
If God has foreknown a person to reside with Him in heaven, that event will happen. If God has foreknown a man to reside in hell forever, that event will happen.
How much clearer does it need to be?
My choices had consequences, changed things
Nope. Those "changes" were clearly factored in by God who was aware of all those changes when He foresaw your eternal destination from the foundation of the world.
God isn't just winging this life. He's known everything that would happen from day one. While it feels like you're "changing things," those changes have already been known by God from the beginning.
Try again.
You are having a problem discerning the difference between knowing and causing all man's free will choices.
No, I'm not. I'm not talking about ordination. I'm speaking as an Arminian now. I'm simply talking about God's awareness of the future. And that awareness does not change as our awareness of it changes. God comprehended all "changes" at the moment of creation.
Therefore there is no "change" with God.
What does the fetus desire in the womb where he is doomed? What sin has the fetus committed to deserve to be born only for the fires of hell ?
All men are fallen. Read the Bible. The miracle is that God has taken some of these fallen creatures and forgiven their sins by sending Christ down to earth to suffer for their sins.
THANKS.
Linking that on my home page.
Great doc.
That's Hallmark, not Scripture.
"I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name." -- Isaiah 65:1-2
No
Read the passages again. You're missing it.
Can you really not see there is a difference between knowing and causing? I know the sun will rise tomorrow.
Nope. Those "changes" were clearly factored in by God who was aware of all those changes when He foresaw your eternal destination from the foundation of the world.
I factored in the rotation of the earth, the age of the sun... I didn't cause the sun to rise.
He's known everything that would happen from day one.
Yes, that's omniscience.
While it feels like you're "changing things,"
This is where free will is an illusion to Calvinist. Do you realize you're being fooled by God every minute of the day according to Calvin?
those changes have already been known by God from the beginning.
Yes, but he didn't make my choices. If he did, then he's responsible for my sins, not me.
'm simply talking about God's awareness of the future. And that awareness does not change as our awareness of it changes. God comprehended all "changes" at the moment of creation.
Of course. Awareness of our choices is not the same as making our choices. It's very simple.
The miracle is that God has taken some of these fallen creatures and forgiven their sins by sending Christ down to earth to suffer for their sins.
Limited atonement. Another justification for the cruelty of double predestination.
All men are fallen.
Yet some are doomed, some are saved. By a capricious and cruel god of Calvin.
That's love. And you can't make somebody love you against their will.
"I am sought of them that asked not for me
You get forced love from that? Hmm.
Still "no."
I think that if the records were ever published you would lead all in number of posts pulled.
Of course you don't. The core of the New and Everlasting Covenant are the Gospels and the apex of the Gospels are the Beatitudes and the Two Greatest Commandments, hence a new Decalogue. Calvin is not a Christian, he is a Paulican. He takes great pains to ignore and diminish the beatitudes and places the letters of Paul at the apex. Absent the Gospels and Beatitudes all meaning of the works of Paul are empty. Absent the works of Paul the new Decalogue will provide a path to salvation.
God stands outside time and space, so how He sees things is impossible for us to comprehend (even “seeing” is a wrong verb). We know He is omniscient, we know He is good, so we know he somehow “knows” everything, yet we know that He did not somehow “ordain” evil, or else we say that God created evil
Only a hateful and cruel God needs to force love. It takes a perverted sense of love to call that love and not manipulation.
God in reality is love. True love comes from God to us, through us, to others - if we accept it, cooperate in love, desire to be with God in love, not forced or manipulated.
This is as different from forced love as it gets.
It is clear why Calvin had to teach that love of God not a matter of choice - when the foundation of double predestination is clearly seen, choosing to love, in the usual sense of the word, this god is not possible.
One can be grateful they were spared, but it is again a Stockholm Syndrome kind of love: the tormentor tormented others and not me.
I knew that had to be you — you post the greatest quotes! :)
. . . with troubling implications for the commandment to "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect."
Love has a way of doing that. The blood dripping from the wounds of our Lord makes flowers grow. Therefore "in the place where he was crucified there was a garden."
Total Depravity! Total Depravity! SQUAWK!
Predestination of course is a Catholic doctrine, DOUBLE predestination is not, Total Depravity is not.
We're not just puppets, apparently we're evil puppets.
If I believed in double predestination and total depravity I would not believe in God.
“Love has a way of doing that.”
Yes, but often, it isn't God's love experienced directly that first moves us, because, as you have pointed out elsewhere, we would be unable to withstand the onslaught on our souls.
In this case, as in many, my friend fell in love with a young lady who is a Catholic, and through her sincere but wildly imperfect and attenuated love, he has found himself on a path drawing him ultimately to the heart of God.
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These Geek manuscripts were copies of copies since they date back to 350 Ad.My point to Dr E is that we trust the Catholic Church for giving authenticity of the ORIGINALS
WE have no way of knowing that the Greek manuscripts are translated correctly from the complete ORIGINALS written in the 1st century since we don't have them. We trust the Catholic Church.
I have no problem believing the manuscripts are correct along with copies that came after because I trust the tradition of Church ,but Dr E and others believe the Church was corrupt,so they have a problem of not trusting.
From your source... 5,000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament in whole or in part. The best and most important of these go back to somewhere about AD 350, the two most important being the Codex Vaticanus, the chief treasure of the Vatican Library in Rome
The key word is Vatican Library.
So, we trust the Church!
Hope all is well with you and your family and horses
Further, these several things:
First, God does not, strictly speaking "foreknow." He knows.
This follows from Aquinas's "First Way" and the impossibility that the uncaused Cause of All should change. Support for the changlessness of God is found in Ps 90 and 2 Peter 3:8, though one has to think a little.
Second, we know from the Incarnation and Passion that God's freedom and power are so beyond our understanding that they, just as changeless eternity comprehends time and change, comprehend restrictions on the exercise of power. Or one could say that God can direct freedom without compromising it.
Our opponents do not understand what transcendence means or the necessity of analogy in theology. They see the power of a dictator and extrapolate it beyond reason and apply it to God.
Third (really secundae secunda), they apply transcendence to the justice of God, so that they respond to objections by challenging our ability to understand God's justice, or our standing as clay to question the potter. But then they insist that they understand enough about omniscience to maintain that it necessarily means man cannot be free. They are inconsistent in the application of their own methods.
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