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To: D-fendr
No one can force love. Love not freely given is not love.

That's Hallmark, not Scripture.

"I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name." -- Isaiah 65:1-2

4,523 posted on 09/14/2010 1:46:26 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
That's Hallmark, not Scripture.

That's love. And you can't make somebody love you against their will.

"I am sought of them that asked not for me

You get forced love from that? Hmm.

4,526 posted on 09/14/2010 1:56:24 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Only a hateful and cruel God needs to force love. It takes a perverted sense of love to call that love and not manipulation.

God in reality is love. True love comes from God to us, through us, to others - if we accept it, cooperate in love, desire to be with God in love, not forced or manipulated.

This is as different from forced love as it gets.

It is clear why Calvin had to teach that love of God not a matter of choice - when the foundation of double predestination is clearly seen, choosing to love, in the usual sense of the word, this god is not possible.

One can be grateful they were spared, but it is again a Stockholm Syndrome kind of love: the tormentor tormented others and not me.


4,533 posted on 09/14/2010 2:13:12 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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