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To: Cronos; Dr. Eckleburg; stfassisi
here's the parrot

Total Depravity! Total Depravity! SQUAWK!

Predestination of course is a Catholic doctrine, DOUBLE predestination is not, Total Depravity is not.

We're not just puppets, apparently we're evil puppets.

If I believed in double predestination and total depravity I would not believe in God.

4,537 posted on 09/14/2010 5:52:06 AM PDT by Legatus (From the desire of being esteemed, Deliver me, Jesus.)
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To: Legatus; Dr. Eckleburg; stfassisi
We're not just puppets, apparently we're evil puppets.

And yet, puppets are not evil as they have no will, no control over themselves, their "thoughts" or actions, what is an evil puppet is actually an evil puppetteer. That is the ultimately definition of predestination of an evil god that directs some of his puppets to do good and then rewards them and then directs others to do evil and burns them. Neither the good-doer nor the evil-doer has any control, any free will to do anything else but what is directed by the mind and hand of the puppet-master
4,544 posted on 09/14/2010 6:24:59 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: Legatus; D-fendr; Cronos
Council of Orange. 529 AD

CANON 4. If anyone maintains that God awaits our will to be cleansed from sin, but does not confess that even our will to be cleansed comes to us through the infusion and working of the Holy Spirit, he resists the Holy Spirit himself who says through Solomon, "The will is prepared by the Lord" (Prov. 8:35, LXX), and the salutary word of the Apostle, "For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).

CANON 5. If anyone says that not only the increase of faith but also its beginning and the very desire for faith, by which we believe in Him who justifies the ungodly and comes to the regeneration of holy baptism -- if anyone says that this belongs to us by nature and not by a gift of grace, that is, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit amending our will and turning it from unbelief to faith and from godlessness to godliness, it is proof that he is opposed to the teaching of the Apostles, for blessed Paul says, "And I am sure that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ" (Phil. 1:6). And again, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8). For those who state that the faith by which we believe in God is natural make all who are separated from the Church of Christ by definition in some measure believers.

4,558 posted on 09/14/2010 7:31:42 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: Legatus
If I believed in double predestination and total depravity I would not believe in God.

Have it your way.

"By they words thou shalt be justified, and by the words thou shalt be condemned." -- Matthew 12:37

4,609 posted on 09/14/2010 11:32:36 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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