Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: Dr. Eckleburg
How much clearer does it need to be?

Can you really not see there is a difference between knowing and causing? I know the sun will rise tomorrow.

Nope. Those "changes" were clearly factored in by God who was aware of all those changes when He foresaw your eternal destination from the foundation of the world.

I factored in the rotation of the earth, the age of the sun... I didn't cause the sun to rise.

He's known everything that would happen from day one.

Yes, that's omniscience.

While it feels like you're "changing things,"

This is where free will is an illusion to Calvinist. Do you realize you're being fooled by God every minute of the day according to Calvin?

those changes have already been known by God from the beginning.

Yes, but he didn't make my choices. If he did, then he's responsible for my sins, not me.

'm simply talking about God's awareness of the future. And that awareness does not change as our awareness of it changes. God comprehended all "changes" at the moment of creation.

Of course. Awareness of our choices is not the same as making our choices. It's very simple.

The miracle is that God has taken some of these fallen creatures and forgiven their sins by sending Christ down to earth to suffer for their sins.

Limited atonement. Another justification for the cruelty of double predestination.

All men are fallen.

Yet some are doomed, some are saved. By a capricious and cruel god of Calvin.

4,525 posted on 09/14/2010 1:53:30 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4521 | View Replies ]


To: D-fendr
Can you really not see there is a difference between knowing and causing? I know the sun will rise tomorrow.

Again, you arguing a straw man. I am simply talking about God's foreknowledge. And even that you cannot defend.

Yes, you know the sun will rise tomorrow. Just as God knows who will come to Him and who won't. And He has known this fact from the foundation of the world.

How do you presume to change this fact? You can't. What God foreknows will come to pass.

This is where free will is an illusion to Calvinist

The Calvinist knows that no man's will is "free." Men are either slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness, and that end has been declared by God from the beginning.

Limited atonement. Another justification for the cruelty of double predestination.

If God wanted all men to be saved, all men would be saved. He's God. He gets what He wants.

All men are fallen.

Yet some are doomed, some are saved.

Some are condemned and some are acquitted. Do you deny this is true?

4,650 posted on 09/14/2010 12:31:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4525 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson