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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Evil is rebellion against God.

Yes, something we can agree on

Evil is what has consumed our human nature after the fall of our first father, Adam.

I dispute the word "consumed" -- the better term is "tainted", we still have a remnant of the purity that was our creation, we are not fully depraved

The only antidote to that evil is the grace of God, given to whom He will according to His own good pleasure for His glory and the welfare of those He has called to Himself as family.

Agreed -- yet, God freely gives His grace to ALL -- every single one of us. It depends on us to accept or not.
4,531 posted on 09/14/2010 2:07:24 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: Cronos
God freely gives His grace to ALL

Nonsensical. If God wants all men to be saved, then all men would be saved.

Does God give all men the same amount of grace? Did it take more grace to turn Paul's eyes to Christ than it did Mary's eyes? Yes, it did.

Therefore, if God gives men differing amounts of grace, according to what it will take to open their eyes and ears, then why doesn't He give enough grace to open all men's eyes and ears?

If you say He does give all men enough grace, then you are proven wrong by simply looking around. I can point to a dozen men who do not believe because the grace of God is not in them. If God wanted those men with Him in heaven, one could rightly assume God would exert enough effort to bring those men to Christ.

The clearest understanding of this life is that it is progressing according to the will and purpose of God for His glory and the welfare of His saints who were named and numbered from before the foundation of the world for His good pleasure and not according to any merit in themselves because salvation is purely a result of God's free, unearned mercy and not His debt owed to men for their clever decision to believe.

4,630 posted on 09/14/2010 12:12:51 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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