Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Again, not the question. The question, again, was if he is already saved will becoming a believing Catholic have any effect on salvation.
We preach the word of God to all men, confident that those who are His will hear the word and respond in faith.
You should be confident that if double predestination is true nothing you can say or do makes any difference - or is it "man that saves" now?
You're also missing about double predestination is that those who are not saved DO NOT WANT TO BE SAVED.
What your missing is their "wants" have nothing to do with it. Does Calvin's god choose who is doomed based on wants" Or does who he chooses to doom determine their wants? It's all God, right?
when you read the Bible you see predestination printed on every page.
Give a Calvin a bible and sola scriptura and that's what you get. Read it with Jesus message of God loves you and you will see something quite different.
You just repeatedly protest it's "unfair!"
Calvin's god is manifestly unfair. He engages in blood feud and condemns in the womb, creates those who are doomed to burn. Unjust, unfair, capricious, cruel, sinning and hateful.
Double predestination makes so much sense to some - if they hide their eyes from what they are saying about God.
Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?
Again, omniscience is not the question. The question is does man have some choice, can he repent? In Calvinism, God does everything, is responsible for every sin or rejection of sin - predetermined from the womb.
God does it all. And man either gets rewarded for it or burned for it.
You're a few steps behind.
The statement was made by stfassisi that "there is no evil in anything God creates."
I used the examples of Judas and Obama to show him the error of that statement. Of course there is evil in men whom God has created.
All men are sinners. And God has created all men.
This is pretty basic stuff.
Double predestination as Calvinists believe is: CalvinGod created some people from before time and destined them to be going to heaven, no matter what. CalvinGod also created a bunch of others to sin and go to hell, no matter what. CalvinGod controls the actions and thoughts of all of his creations, so directs the Calvinists to sin or not to sin and to heaven or hell since teh Calvinists are just marionettes to the calvingod.
God picks some in the womb for heaven some for the fires of hell. That your choices in life make any difference is an illusion.
No, atheism is fostered by a belief in men's own abilities.
Atheism is fostered by a hate of the god taught be Calvin. A god who deserves hate. The caricature of God by atheist is the Calvinist god.
Then who or what is the author of sin? And did this who/what author sin through the exercise of a free will or because God ordained the who/what to author sin? In other words, did the who/what author sin in accordance with, or in defiance of, God's sovereign will?
And the answer, again, is that if a man has been saved he most likely will not find himself in a Roman Catholic church. Not for long. Not forever.
You should be confident that if double predestination is true nothing you can say or do makes any difference
We don't preach the Gospel to change the outcome. We preach the Gospel to facilitate God's outcome. Get the difference?
DR.E: Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?
D-fendr: Again, omniscience is not the question. The question is does man have some choice, can he repent?
Of course omniscience and omnipotence are the question. And if you continually refuse to answer the simple question I've asked, you should ask yourself why you can't answer it.
Further, can all men repent? Or can only those men who have been reborn by the Holy Spirit repent and believe to the saving of their souls?
Read the Bible.
And it really would help your understanding of both my position and yours if you could just give me a simple answer to a simple question...
Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?
God is in control. That's reality and good news for Christians, and it means nothing to those who don't believe.
"For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?" -- 1 Corinthians 4:7
Paul knows there is only one answer to that question.
Thank God.
Again, not responsive to the question: if he is already saved will becoming a believing Catholic have any effect on salvation?
We don't preach the Gospel to change the outcome. We preach the Gospel to facilitate God's outcome. Get the difference?
Sure, you want it both ways. God does everything, man's actions matter. Sorry, if double predestination is true, everyone is saved or doomed - no matter what you do.
And if you continually refuse to answer the simple question I've asked
I have absolutely no problem answering it, except that it's irrelevant. God is omniscient and omnipotent and he created man with free will.
The hateful unjust god of Calvin still does not necessarily follow - and if it does follow, we warp god into something quite un-Godly.
The only antidote to that evil is the grace of God, given to whom He will according to His own good pleasure for His glory and the welfare of those He has called to Himself as family.
i.e., God has a blood feud against man.
And withheld from those he wishes to burn - for his own good pleasure.
A sadistic god.
lol. Non-responsive? Perhaps the problem is that it is not the answer you're hoping for. The answer assumes a fallacy at the outset. Someone who is "saved" is most likely not a Roman Catholic. Not for long. And someone who is saved most likely would never regress by becoming a Roman Catholic.
Hope that's clear enough for you.
I have absolutely no problem answering it, except that it's irrelevant.
Humor me. You may want to think it's "irrelevant," but it's far more interesting that you seem unable or unwilling to give it a shot.
Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?
Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?
It's the other way around.
Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?
Not responsive to the question, again. One more try:
Assume that "most likely" means that there is a chance that one will get through - a saved from the womb person becomes a believing Catholic - any effect on his salvation according to double predestination?
Humor me. You may want to think it's "irrelevant," but it's far more interesting that you seem unable or unwilling to give it a shot. Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?
Which part of "God is omniscient" is unclear to you?
God has ancestors?
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